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Documentary about Alan Turing just started on Ch4
Quite interesting although not much on the war, more about his post-war herming and eventual, genuinely tragic, downfall.
When the narrator, at the beginning, mentioned "breaking the Enigma Code" I turned off. What is the point....?
Winning WW2, or ending it before 1947?
As Stooriefit said, there was relatively little about Enigma, mostly about his life before and after WW2. I hadn't known how Turing's other original ideas had influenced other work.
I stuck with it and even flipped over to one of those channels which shows the C4 productions minus an hour. It's about time this gent's story was aired, the Enigma item has had a fair going over in recent years.
It was a very 'human' story on Alan Turing. I know little about the man beyond his perceived brilliant mind and this programme helped towards a better understanding of him The use of the psychiatrist's chair to help the story along was well conceived I thought. I wasn't aware that he self elected to be chemically castrated rather than go to prison. My only criticism of the film was that everyone who participated in commenting on him were highly complimentaryof him. There must have been some other maths geniuses out there who would have challenged his thinking?
For HMG to release a statement of apology in 2009 with regard to his treatment says something, however belated. We should put a statue to him in Trafalgar Sq.
a great bloke i am sure - but all i gathered from that program is that he was a massive Batty Boy and loved the cock.
I enjoyed the programme and it did make me wonder what advances could have been made if he'd not been treated in the way he was.
fixed that for you.
I did not watch the program but one of the birds Great Aunties worked with him at Bletchley Park. She was some sort of junior admin on account of she could do the Telegraph crossword in four minutes flat.
I had about two years with the old doll before she karked it and was fascinated with the whole Bletchley / Turin thing. She talked about a warm, sensitive man who was kind to the staff on a daily basis. And of the staff being in awe in the presence of true genius. She never mentioned 'the cock'. She wouldn't. She was a lady, not a ******* twat like you.
It seems all the Bletchley people were under appreciated and the top of that list is Tommy Flowers, the GPO engineer who actually turned Turin's ideas into reality
Tommy Flowers - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
I did note Tommy Flowers name in a recent programme on Bletchley Park and for no particular reason other than a slow day in my life, went out to Flowers Close in Poplar, not a quantum distance from where I live. He was some bloke as well.
A towering genius, IMHO, probably did the Times crossword in 60 seconds in his head. He seemed to have no concept of how his homosexual activities would be condemned, maybe Aspbergers. Probably certifiable by the standards oof the 1950s; normal for Hampstead Heath now.
The entire Bletchley Park operation, from the Y stations through to those who broke not only Enigma, but the complex encryption system of Lorenz were all legends, the effort to monitor all German communications was an awesome task.
The recent Timewatch programme about Bill Tutte and Tommy Flowers was amazing, anyone who has listened and worked on RATT (radio teletype) circuits would be amazed at the gargantuan efforts that went into getting an accurate transcription of the Teleprinter Traffic that was required to look for the ways to break into the high level command code.
In some ways the breaking of Enigma was made slightly easier by its over use and bad habits by its operators, as well as the capture of some equipment and codebooks, and the fact that the Polish had a team working on the Abwehr Enigma as far back as 1936.
I haven't yet watched the programme about Turing but will do when I get time.
It was good programme, apart from I thought Stoppard(?) was mis-cast as Turing. Stoppard came across as rather too young, assured and confident; I gather Turing was more awkward and withdrawn, probably a manifestation of whatever autism/ aspergers/ etc created his talent and his eccentricities.
I recently read the book Alan Turing the enigma by Andrew Hodges and about half is devoted to his post WW2 work . It was quite a difficult read but I believe that the development the home computer could well have occurred many years earlier if he had not committed suicide . The programme highlighted some of the areas he was developing around the thinking computer
there was even a mention of the Turing Test and remember the search engines we use all the time are based on his pioneering work . The demo of how activities in a workplace could be represented by a series of 1s ( activity ) or 0s ( no activity ) to me confirmed he really was on the binary route for computer hardware and software development in the early 50s .
A clearly brilliant man but guilty of two things
. an inability to tell lies and being homosexual in an age when it was illegal .
Edited to add from an earlier post of mine concerning his post WW2 work as detailed in the book above....
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