Britain to be smoke free in 20 years

Joker62

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#1
As I write, some daft old bat from ASH on Sky has declared that they want GB to be free from smokers within 20 years. What happened to freedom of choice? Higgs Bosun need not reply as we already know your opinion as we've had it rammed down our throats often enough.
 
#2
In other words 'I only want to hear opinions that back up my views' What ever happened to freedom to hold alternate views?
 
#4
i don't smoke,but i certainly dont have a problem with those that do,a total ban on smoking is a shit idea
Agreed, plus does what the NHS expend in money to treat the numerous health issues attributed to smoking really out weigh the duty generated from the sale of tobacco products?
 
#5
I think Mr Hicks had it right. "I do smoke, and if that bothers you, I suggest you take a look around at the world we live in and shut your ****ing mouth!"
 
#6
I think all these people sitting on their high horses should clamp it. It doesn't directly affect them so why bother with it. They say it costs the NHS 2.7bn a year to try and help these smokers? why not leave them to be on there way smoking as they like, I dont understand it at all.
 
#7
"We" also want it Weed free, crack free, coke free, smack free... Etc.

We have done for quite a while.

As a matter of interest I've heard that the biggest single factor in reducing the availability of smack in Britain is the price of fags here. You can smuggle fags and make a "drug baron-esque" profit without the associated risks.
 

CountryGal

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#9
And porn free!!! The miserable pc brigade are winning!
With prostitution still regarded as being one of the oldest professions I fail to see a world without porn - a world without free porn is more likely though


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#10
And porn free!!! The miserable pc brigade are winning!
With prostitution still regarded as being one of the oldest professions I fail to see a world without porn - a world without free porn is more likely though


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No free porn??? Go and wash your mouth out, young lady!!!!
 
#11
I don't think this idea has been thought through given the mobility of the world's populaton.
If smoking is banned, will travellers [millions of them visiting or transiting through the UK] be searched for contraband?
Has the effect on trade and tourism been taken into the equation when people will avoid the UK?
Will the Scottish Parliament have a different take on this?
Will it be overturned in some international court as a breach of one's human rights?
Will this mean yet another govenment employment of non-weath producing jobs-worths in their tens of thousands trying
to enforce what will, imo, be unenforceable?
Will the 10 Billion plus that tobacco taxation produces be clawed back in some other way?

Just a few of the probably hundreds of adverse affects of such a move that will beggar the UK.
 
#12
At least in '1984' and 'Brave new world' the proles got cheap gin or drugs, 'Soma' I think.
ASH, the various anti blood sports, drugs, sex, and other anti fun brigades will not rest easy until the UK is a uniformly drab, souless hive, of people mouthing the catechisms of equality, diversity, and freedom. All being reduced to the same level of boredom and despair.
 
#13
Britain smoke free? Not as long as Jarrod's got a merc with a big boot it won't be!
 
#14
I think all these people sitting on their high horses should clamp it. It doesn't directly affect them so why bother with it. They say it costs the NHS 2.7bn a year to try and help these smokers? why not leave them to be on there way smoking as they like, I dont understand it at all.
Let's be honest, much like obese sedentary people that have spent decades necking Ginsters & avoiding physical activity it's not like their going to avoid heavily utilising the NHS for their failing health out of principle for their personal lifestyle choice.

If smokers' etc want to sign medical disclaimers stating that they're happy to rely purely on funding their private healthcare to treat their future tobacco related illnesses then yea crack on.

On the other hand, there's that much pollutants, carcinogens etc in the atmosphere nowadays I don't think it's as clear cut as attributing peoples' health only to their lifestyle choices.
 
#15
This debate is quite funny. I live in NZ and the Govt want a smoke free New Zealand by 2020 or something, the interesting thing is that only 4 million people live in NZ, the cost of treating smokers has now out stripped the revenue the govt. receive from smokers so, they are now funding a drug called champex that takes the craving for a smoke away, a smoker can get this for 3 bucks a month to help them quit. ..... It works as well :)
 

CountryGal

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#16
This debate is quite funny. I live in NZ and the Govt want a smoke free New Zealand by 2020 or something, the interesting thing is that only 4 million people live in NZ, the cost of treating smokers has now out stripped the revenue the govt. receive from smokers so, they are now funding a drug called champex that takes the craving for a smoke away, a smoker can get this for 3 bucks a month to help them quit. ..... It works as well :)
Wonder what the uk revenue figures are for duty raised from smoking as supposed to nhs costs for smoking related diseases - though I know this would be quite hard to calculate as there are a lot of indirect health costs too as well as educational costs of encouraging people not to smoke.




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#17
The revenue from tobacco taxes and VAT are around £12.6b PA and the figures for NHS treatment vary from £1.6b to £2.6B. This does not take into account the fact that smokers are likely to draw less pensions etc.
 
#18
Oh, good. Another thread on smoking. Haven't had one for ages and ages.
But, as an aside, if smokers sign a "disclaimer" can they have the tax money they have spent on fags over the years back? Will sports injuries, car crash victims, alcoholics, drug users and so on be able to sign the same "disclaimer"? Or will the NHS still treat them for free?
According to the Metro, illegal drug use has cost the NHS £110 billion over the last 10 years and they pay no tax or duty on their fixes.
The NHS says they spend £1.5 billion a year on smoking related illnesses and campaigns to get people to stop but Cambridge University studies say it is more like £5 billion a year when other costs are brought into play (like benefits for those with lung disorders etc). However, duty raised on tobacco is £12.1 billion a year. Alcohol related disease and injuries cost the NHS about £6 billion a year but that doesn't take into account loss of working days and so on. Total tax on alcohol is around £13 billion a year.
Now, smoking is bad, it smells, it can cause serious diseases but there are other things out there that also do that. At least the smokers are paying their way.
 
#19
Listening to a programme on Radio 4 that stated since government advice is no longer to lay your baby on it's front smoking in and around the house is the biggest cause of cot death. What really put the wind up me was being told by several midwives that a smokers placenta looks diseased.
 
#20
Agreed, plus does what the NHS expend in money to treat the numerous health issues attributed to smoking really out weigh the duty generated from the sale of tobacco products?
The cost of smoking to the NHS is around a third of the tax revenue it generates
The government makes a serious profit out of smokers

When they've eradicated us smokers they will come for you drinkers next
 

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