Britain - The descent into the third world

You must have been bloody lucky.

1974 Mk2 Escort: Floor pan rusted through at 3 years old.
1977 Mk4 Cortina: Sills rotted by late 1979 & camshaft knackered a year later.
1983 Mk3 Escort: Rust bubbling through the A panel inside 2 years.
2006 Ford Ranger Wildtrak: Front crossmember rotted out in 5 years, door sills rusting inside 18 months, chrome falling off the rollbar, chassis severely corroded inside 5 years.
At least with the last one I was canny enough to pay for an engineer's report & threaten them with litigation & recovered half the purchase price.

Do you park your cars in a marina, or the cheaper option, a mud berth....... ?


 
Can’t we all just get along? You know peace, love, joy, happiness and all that hippy crap!..........

.....sure, why not, your average Joe would agree, no axes to grind, its the Knobs at the top of the totem pole that cause the trouble, citing their mandate to be " Working for the common good" Yeah, Right, lining their own pockets, and playing the statesman, trying to be the big I am, and Fcuking up everything they come into contact with. The days of the honest politician, banker and the clergy are long gone. There are a few knocking about, but are swamped out by greedy avaricious carrer motivated party creeps. Wars and dissent are caused by intolerance, greed, and jealousy fuelled by politicians and followed by lemmings........ End Of Rant,.....
 
.....sure, why not, your average Joe would agree, no axes to grind, its the Knobs at the top of the totem pole that cause the trouble, citing their mandate to be " Working for the common good" Yeah, Right, lining their own pockets, and playing the statesman, trying to be the big I am, and Fcuking up everything they come into contact with. The days of the honest politician, banker and the clergy are long gone. There are a few knocking about, but are swamped out by greedy avaricious carrer motivated party creeps. Wars and dissent are caused by intolerance, greed, and jealousy fuelled by politicians and followed by lemmings........ End Of Rant,.....
Well the political class is insulated from the every day problems the common man faces. They don't have to worry about the mundane things that we do and take that for granted. Which is why we here in America really do need term limits for politicians.
 
Well the political class is insulated from the every day problems the common man faces. They don't have to worry about the mundane things that we do and take that for granted. Which is why we here in America really do need term limits for politicians.

We have term limits, every 4 years we vote them back, or not, unfortunately, the same spanners get voted back in, carry on in the same old way, and Fcuk up in the time honoured tradition of all politicians, that just know that the electorate are too frightened, too brainwashed, or just plain daft to effect change. Those that get ousted, end up in blue chip directorships, Fcuking up big corporations, and riding the gravy train until their pension, which is quite considerable. Just once I would like to see several pikey caravans rock up on an eminent politicians front lawn. Then they might just appreciate just what the real world has to suffer, outside their cosseted and enclosed little bubble.
 

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It isn't, really. Clavell took the standard view at the time and used it unquestioningly as his backdrop. A far better read on the topic is Julia Lovell, The Opium War: Drugs, Dreams and the Making of China.

The Qing tried to stamp out the opium trade for fiscal as well as moral reasons. Their financial system was based on massive amounts of silver and they needed a net inflow to keep the wheels turning which they got from foreign trade. The UK's loss of the American colonies severely crimped our access to ores, we couldn't afford the scale of deficit and weren't willing to give up our Chinese-made goodies so war it was.

The incremental weakening of central government in China from the mid 18th century meant local levels increasingly went their own way, eventually turning to warlordism. Despite their moral outrages, both the KMT and GCD relied heavily on opium production for funds at various times.

Drugs are bad, m'kay?
As ever I bow to superior learning....haven't read Tai-Pan for quite a while, and viewed it as entertainment rather than history :)

I used to see various briefings on Burma - one of the biggest drug entrepreneurs in the Golden Triangle was a former KuoMingTang soldier....guy called Khun Sa. I expect he's either dead or the Burmese Trade Minister by now....

interesting dit: KHUN SA: THE SECOND WARLORD

If you have a copy of Lovell's book, happy to have my ignorance alleviated ?
 
I used to see various briefings on Burma - one of the biggest drug entrepreneurs in the Golden Triangle was a former KuoMingTang soldier....guy called Khun Sa. I expect he's either dead or the Burmese Trade Minister by now....
A lot of the nastier sorts on the fringes of the Republic billed themselves as 'former KMT soldiers' but were usually actually warlords who'd sworn allegiance to Chiang with their fingers crossed behind their backs. The reason they'd survived was an unwillingness to go anywhere near actual fighting, while the actual KMT gutted itself fighting the Japanese and GCD.

They're part of the reason the KMT lost - not enough true believers to replace the losses of 37-44 so they were forced to rely on and lend their name to a sorry bunch of incompetents, carpet-baggers and would-be-kings.


If you have a copy of Lovell's book, happy to have my ignorance alleviated ?
Sorry, I only have it on Kindle. It's genuinely a good read, though. Far better than that Dikotter crap.
 
A lot of the nastier sorts on the fringes of the Republic billed themselves as 'former KMT soldiers' but were usually actually warlords who'd sworn allegiance to Chiang with their fingers crossed behind their backs. The reason they'd survived was an unwillingness to go anywhere near actual fighting, while the actual KMT gutted itself fighting the Japanese and GCD.

They're part of the reason the KMT lost - not enough true believers to replace the losses of 37-44 so they were forced to rely on and lend their name to a sorry bunch of incompetents, carpet-baggers and would-be-kings.




Sorry, I only have it on Kindle. It's genuinely a good read, though. Far better than that Dikotter crap.
I enjoyed 'Mao's Famine' by Dikotter. Well, enjoyed might be a bit strong, rather found it very interesting.
 
I enjoyed 'Mao's Famine' by Dikotter. Well, enjoyed might be a bit strong, rather found it very interesting.
Pity it's a load of pish. Yang Jisheng's Tombstone is far better, not least because he was an eyewitness who also had privileged access to official accounts. It's pretty bleak and unrelentingly horrific but it does give a far better explanation of the evolution of the famine.

Dikotter's sole interest is in promoting Dikotter, not history. He likes to take the facts for a nice long walk, even if they fall by the roadside long before his intended destination.
 
Feh. The last time the sweatys had self rule, they made themselves bankrupt and had to get their neighbour to pay their debts.
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