Britain - The descent into the third world

I went for a walk today. Probably a couple of miles from the nearest road at the furthest point.
Way out there & within a hundred yards or so were two dog shit bags complete with contents, an abandoned pair of hiking boots, several drinks cans & a McDonald's bag with the containers off a "meal" inside it.
What's needed is a way of selectively culling the human race of those with the mindset that considers this to be OK.

I reckon the UK population would be more than halved inside a year...
 
If you've spent any time in Herefordshire, Leominster is renowned for its inbred community.

That's saying a lot when you consider that Herefordshire is also home to Ledbury and Ross-on-Wye
Many years ago went to a wedding near Leominster, bride a schoolfriend of Mrs B, groom very pleasant guy who came from a local farming family.

Church was OK but delightful greeting on arrival at reception from father of bride to keep all valuables close and stay away from the grooms brothers and their friends being already heavily pissed Neanderthals.

5 years later groom was dead from some form of cancer often associated with exposure to pesticides and not long after the funeral the brothers attempted to evict the widow and three year old from "their" property.

It is not a pleasant place
 
Many years ago went to a wedding near Leominster, bride a schoolfriend of Mrs B, groom very pleasant guy who came from a local farming family.

Church was OK but delightful greeting on arrival at reception from father of bride to keep all valuables close and stay away from the grooms brothers and their friends being already heavily pissed Neanderthals.

5 years later groom was dead from some form of cancer often associated with exposure to pesticides and not long after the funeral the brothers attempted to evict the widow and three year old from "their" property.

It is not a pleasant place
Friend of mine married a Shropshire farmer who died from cancer. She and her 2 year old daughter returned from his funeral to find their 'Notice to Quit' waiting.

Farmers are farmers and ground is ground. Not just in Leominster.
 
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I went for a walk today. Probably a couple of miles from the nearest road at the furthest point.
Way out there & within a hundred yards or so were two dog shit bags complete with contents, an abandoned pair of hiking boots, several drinks cans & a McDonald's bag with the containers off a "meal" inside it.
What's needed is a way of selectively culling the human race of those with the mindset that considers this to be OK.

I reckon the UK population would be more than halved inside a year...
 
Friend of mine married a Shropshire farmer who died from cancer. She and her 2 year old daughter returned from his funeral to find their 'Notice to Quit' waiting.

Farmers are farmers and ground is ground. Not just in Leominster.
Well it might have been more understandable if they were living on the "family" land.

But they weren't. Had bought a house between them elsewhere because of the tension with the brothers and she has contributed over half of the equity from sale of her own place.

Married Women's Property Act? Land Registry? Get out, it is ours.

The eldest brother was arrested twice and the whole lot became subject to Injunctions after having "offered" to buy her out for a derisory sum.

Bunch of idiotic piss heads who were desperate for any money they could lay hands on having squandered a lot after the old man had snuffed it and the deceased brother became too ill to run the show.
 
Well it might have been more understandable if they were living on the "family" land.

But they weren't. Had bought a house between them elsewhere because of the tension with the brothers and she has contributed over half of the equity from sale of her own place.

Married Women's Property Act? Land Registry? Get out, it is ours.

The eldest brother was arrested twice and the whole lot became subject to Injunctions after having "offered" to buy her out for a derisory sum.

Bunch of idiotic piss heads who were desperate for any money they could lay hands on having squandered a lot after the old man had snuffed it and the deceased brother became too ill to run the show.
Fair enough. Very different circumstances. Scary!
 
And then nicking it, I seem to recall.
When we had the lodge there, if one went missing it was the first port of call, for the cops if no one owned up, block search followed. Also if no one owned up - early morning X country PT session with stations mysteriously followed, to the surprise of no one except the thick jack twat who stole it.
 
Fair enough. Very different circumstances. Scary!
It was. Very unpleasant and just moronic.

When they eventually and inevitably went bust and lost the farm, it was all her fault for "stealing" her late husbands property and assets.

In fact he long knew it was doomed to go down the crapper because his brothers were genuine idiots which is precisely why he opted to buy the house outside the farm and not encumbered by charges against business borrowings.
 
It was. Very unpleasant and just moronic.

When they eventually and inevitably went bust and lost the farm, it was all her fault for "stealing" her late husbands property and assets.

In fact he long knew it was doomed to go down the crapper because his brothers were genuine idiots which is precisely why he opted to buy the house outside the farm and not encumbered by charges against business borrowings.
Sounds like a decent bloke. Odd how you can get one in such a family.
 
Getting back on topic, and trying to be serious:

1. How can people be encouraged to improve themselves?

2. How can people be encouraged to take responsibility for their actions and the consequences?

3. How can a spirit of community be encouraged?
 
Getting back on topic, and trying to be serious:

1. How can people be encouraged to improve themselves?

2. How can people be encouraged to take responsibility for their actions and the consequences?

3. How can a spirit of community be encouraged?
A serious but only partial answer:

1. By being able to see a tangible benefit from efforts at self-improvement.

2. This is the tough one. I see it as linked to No.1 but don't have an answer that feels satisfactory.

3. Not having to keep moving with the labour market would help. Stable communities require stability and a rapid turnover of members prevents that sense of belonging required for a sense of community. There's a whole set of questions on identity formation in there, though.
 
In short you are saying people need to give a f***!

Can the media help? Perhaps by not making giving kudos and the Oxygen of publicity to criminals or lazy and talentless airheads?
 
Getting back on topic, and trying to be serious:

1. How can people be encouraged to improve themselves?

2. How can people be encouraged to take responsibility for their actions and the consequences?

3. How can a spirit of community be encouraged?
Start by removing socialists from the education system, and teaching people to be responsible for their own actions and not making reliance on the state something to aspire to
 
@Yokel that 3rd point of @smartascarrots is very pertinent.

Trucking to a small depot in the middle of nowhere Scottish border, local large village all connected to that depot or, presumably farmers. It was closing, transport manager told me he was prepared to move away (no dependants in area) and the only other who could was a Polish driver. Other staff had local dependants/connections.
I got on my bike when I was young and unattached - the moment you want to put down roots you are at the mercy of many employment and community issues.
 
@Yokel that 3rd point of @smartascarrots is very pertinent.

Trucking to a small depot in the middle of nowhere Scottish border, local large village all connected to that depot or, presumably farmers. It was closing, transport manager told me he was prepared to move away (no dependants in area) and the only other who could was a Polish driver. Other staff had local dependants/connections.
I got on my bike when I was young and unattached - the moment you want to put down roots you are at the mercy of many employment and community issues.
Not so sure I agree totally with that.
Due to my Dad's work, we moved four times in ten years but the moment we arrived somewhere, my Mother joined the local WI & CF & the PTA of the school(s) we were at.
A community is to a large extent what you're prepared to make of it & IMO it's attitudes, rather than mobility that have eroded it.
 

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