Britain rejects pardon for executed soldier

Discussion in 'The Intelligence Cell' started by vvaannmmaann, Nov 12, 2010.

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  1. So he,and others shot unarmed Prisoners of War,because they were ordered to do it?

    I seem to remember the same excuse being trotted out at Nuremberg,and also in Japan.
  2. The report says that not only did they shoot 12 prisoners but also a German witness. They admitted the shootings, and now, like many cases today, the convictions are being appealed on 'technical' grounds, not because they didn't actually do it.

    As far as I can see, they were guilty as charged and asking for an appeal does nothing but bring the crime back into the public eye.
  3. What is the motivation to have the convictions overturned? There is no mention of the usual family connections with people wanting their ancestors names cleared. Personally I think we have far more important things on our plate then to waste time. resources and effort on a case trying to clear the name of an officer who killed 12 prisoners of war too long ago to matter
  4. the_boy_syrup

    the_boy_syrup LE Book Reviewer

    Wasn't there some hoo ha becuase the British tried Aussies without actually telling the Aussie Goverment
    I though that this was why Aussie troops couldn't be tried and shot by British Courts Martial in WW1

    Didn't the only English officer present at the shootings also walk?

    Too many people believe the film versions like Gibsons Gallipolli "The Brits are sitting drinking tea now hurry up and die"
  5. Not interested, they committed murder and paid the price.
  6. My understanding was that they were serving as auxiliaries to British Imperial Forces rather than as an Australian contingent. That would put them fair and square under BIF jurisdiction and subject to their penal code - including the death penalty.

    To my mind, they were caught fair and square, sentenced after due process (which they didn't avail their prisoners of) and executed 'under rule .303'. I do like a bit of petard-hoisting, me.
  7. Does this now mean that the Nazis etc.will sooner or later be found innocent? 12 people ended up murdered,under the law at the time they were found guilty and paid the price.
  8. 'Commander James Unkles, an Australian military lawyer, and Nick Bleszynski, a Scottish-born writer, sent a petition to the Queen...'

    Laying the groundwork for a co-authored book perhaps, for which Unkles provides the specialist advice and Blatheration does the writing? They'll need a catchy title, how about; Travesty! How Our Breaker Was Murdered by Pommy Bastards!

    If they get a move on, they might get it in the shops in time for Christmas, how clever of them. Does anyone really give a rat's?
  9. seaweed

    seaweed LE Book Reviewer

    I think this is partly fallout from the ill-considered block pardon for those executed in WW1, so this team are trying it on for their man on the assumption we are a soft touch.
  10. Surely he was only having a laugh with his mates!
  11. IIRC most of the true facts of the case are now lost to history, and the main "Breaker Morant" story that caught the public imagination was in fact initially written as fiction.

    One of the conveniently overlooked ironic facts is that Morant, of course, wasn't even serving in an Australian unit - he had deliberately enlisted in a British unit....
  12. Really? My bold. I suggest you do some reading on the matter and you will find the court martial was a farce. There is very little doubt that they executed the prisoners, as charged, but claimed it was being done under orders from above, a long way above. The court martial denied every attempt to prove the point as well as being called at very short notice. The defence was given one day to prepare following the laying of the charges.

    There is also a very strong suggestion that HMG was being strongly pressured by Germany (a German pastor was also one of the executed under the belief he was a spy) who was threatening to take a much closer interest in what had become a very dirty war. It has been suggested that in order to keep the Germans out orders were sent that some executions would not go astray.

    Whatever the facts, and they are very confused and uncertain as the original court martial records seem to have been mislaid, I would argue that there are insufficient grounds for a pardon and the matter should be left for historians to argue over.
  13. Aren't most Court martials a farce?
  14. Quite possibly but if you are going to put someone on trial for their life the proprieties should not only be observed but also practiced.