Britain now No 1 al-Qaida target - anti-terror chiefs

#2
No surprise there NFY.

The pity of it is that the majority of decent law abiding Muslims will all be tarred with the same brush. Suffice it to say our media with is really pushing the negative side of those whose faith encompasses Islam.
 
#3
And indeed why not. Terrorist campaigns work in the UK. If they are caught they will not face the death penalty, the prisons are cushy by comparisons and they will be released in a few years and invited into government. Tony Blairs policy anyhow.
:(
 
#4
Even though the police and M15 have disrupted terror plots...
Hmm... M15. It is something new.
 

Goatman

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#5
Aunty's view:


UK 'number one al-Qaeda target'
Al-Qaeda has become more organised and sophisticated and has made Britain its top target, counter-terrorism officials have told the BBC.
Security sources say the situation has never been so grim, said BBC home affairs correspondent Margaret Gilmore.

They believe the network is now operating a cell structure in the UK - like the IRA did - and sees the 7 July bomb attacks "as just the beginning".

Each cell has a leader, a quartermaster dealing with weapons, and volunteers.

According to our correspondent, each cell works on separate, different plots, with masterminds controlling several different cells.

Those involved in the cells were often aware they were being followed and so were meeting in public spaces.

In addition, training is taking place in the UK and Pakistan.


It was thought that five years ago al-Qaeda was a number of "loosely-connected organisations" with common aims, but it is now more organised, she said.

Security officials are concerned the group is targeting universities and the community, and are "less worried" about mosques, she added.

The network is targeting men in their late teens and early 20s, according to our correspondent.

"They set up groups a bit like Boy Scouts or Boys' Brigade... totally legitimate.

"Those who are particularly interested they start giving religious indoctrination.

"Then those who are very interested they start introducing to political teachings, anti-Western rhetoric.

Bonding sessions

"And those who are still interested they then start giving technical training.

"They also start sending them on bonding sessions to things like white-water rafting.

"You end up with a small team of people - the cell is prepared.

"A lot of this is happening outside London," our correspondent added.

Joint regional offices of MI5 intelligence gatherers and anti-terrorist police officers have been set up in Manchester, Birmingham and Sheffield.


BBC security correspondent Gordon Corera said the view was Britain was particularly vulnerable because "it may be easier for al-Qaeda to strike the UK than other targets".
He said these views were "based on activity they are actually seeing. Plots they're disrupting, trials which might be coming up soon".

"There is hard evidence behind it, rather than just theories," said our correspondent.

"That's based partly on what they are seeing, in terms of the types of activity, and partly based on the coincidence, that al-Qaeda's leadership is based in the tribal areas of Pakistan where there are links to the UK and flows of people going back and forwards.

"It makes it easier to make the UK a target than the other countries it might wish to target."

The network also appeared to be better organised, he continued.

"The leadership of al-Qaeda does appear to have been re-grouping and to be more coherent and organised than had been thought in recent years.

"The view is it clearly was an organised group before 9/11, but the campaign in Afghanistan disrupted that leadership very heavily.

"But in recent years, particularly in the tribal areas between Pakistan and Afghanistan, the al-Qaeda leadership has been able to re-group and re-organise itself.

"In doing so it's able to open up channels of communication, contact, recruitment and planning around the world, and operate those in a more coherent fashion than maybe we were seeing three years' ago."

However, intelligence analyst Crispin Black said another attack in the UK "was not inevitable", citing the UK's "considerable successes against the IRA".

He said the security services had a good idea about who they were dealing with, saying: "We still have that expertise and training present within our military forces and intelligence."

"It is no longer about looking for a needle in a haystack. We have some pretty good clues and information on where we should be looking."


Story from BBC NEWS:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/1/hi/uk/6065460.stm

Published: 2006/10/19 12:43:30 GMT

© BBC MMVI


Sergei Nikolayevitch - MI5 is not new....nor is their involvement in domestic anti-terror ops....goes back to the years of the Peace Dividend (gee thanks Mikhail) when the ponderous Leviathan which had been preoccupied with Kremlin-watching (and failing to catch Philby,Burgess,McLean,Blunt, et al) realised that with the 'Empire of Evil ' apparentely out of the picture , they were looking at UB 40's all round.

( I'm deliberately expanding your colloquial English here :-D )


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Schaden

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#7
When they start bothering to find out when people leave the country and where they go to when they do leave - I'll start worrying about the "terrorist threat"
 

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Schaden said:
When they start bothering to find out when people leave the country and where they go to when they do leave - I'll start worrying about the "terrorist threat"
hmmm.....here's funny old ting......when you get your foreign currency at the Post Office ( no transaction charges, see? ) they ask you to fill in a form stating 'Which Country' ?

So...uh....what's the currency in Pakistan then ?...uh-huh - the Pakistani Rupee (PRe)...okay, so why not ask sub-postmasters to just copy every transaction to Box 500.

Lot of raw data there.....what you do with it is your business....GEMS award please ?

( funds confiscated from convicted non-British national terrorists will do niicely thank you)



Lee Shaver
 
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Goatman said:
Schaden said:
When they start bothering to find out when people leave the country and where they go to when they do leave - I'll start worrying about the "terrorist threat"
hmmm.....here's funny old ting......when you get your foreign currency at the Post Office ( no transaction charges, see? ) they ask you to fill in a form stating 'Which Country' ?

So...uh....what's the currency in Pakistan then ?...uh-huh - the Pakistani Rupee (PRe)...okay, so why not ask sub-postmasters to just copy every transaction to Box 500.

Lot of raw data there.....what you do with it is your business....GEMS award please ?

( funds confiscated from convicted non-British national terrorists will do niicely thank you)



Lee Shaver
And with this currently happening:

Call to save rural post offices

Based on Goatman's suggestion:

'Fight Terror, support your local post office!'
 
#10
But the thing is would the average Pakistani type supporter of terrorism use the post office to send funds or receive? Doubt it!
The Pak Banks which have improved much under Musharraf may be one conduit as would Hawala type transactions.
But what are you going to do if the transfer is made person to person?
It may be that one of the persons involved doesn't even know that they could be carrying money in support of terrorism! 8O

Closer co-operation between the Paks and the Brits seems to be the key to this!

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#11
castlereagh said:
Closer co-operation between the Paks and the Brits seems to be the key to this!
Think you'll find the ISI are not much cop. I personally know of one instance where an employee of said organisation was touting his profession to pull women when he was in GB.

If they gob it off for that end who else knows what they do?
 
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mukhabarat2003 said:
castlereagh said:
Closer co-operation between the Paks and the Brits seems to be the key to this!
Think you'll find the ISI are not much cop. I personally know of one instance where an employee of said organisation was touting his profession to pull women when he was in GB.

If they gob it off for that end who else knows what they do?
But don't all organisations have those types of wastrels? Don't have direct experience (I think 8O ) of active ISI types but they have kept the state of Pakistan together for over 50 odd years and if they can do that despite of various wars, insurrections, coups etc, etc. They must be doing some right but they are a nefarious bunch 8O
 
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Told you so! We will end up living behind the wire back in barracks just like the good old days of PIRA. The British Army is at its most vulnerable. We should bring some good NI security before all us old boys leave. The british public live till the next disaster they dont care where the next attack comes from just as long as it doesnt effect them.

Islamic fundamentalists are not being overtly supported by there communities that has been established. But it is still easy to hide from your own community whilst living amongst it as well as the security services. This country needs a good kick up its backside with regards to vigilance. The security sevices are overstretched at the moment which is not there fault and i admire there spirit trying to prevent british citizens being turned into charred mincemeat.

oh i could go on all day, i have served whilst pira were killing off soldiers left right and centre and i can just see us going down the same slippery slope............................just wish i was empowered to do something about it.

Armadillo.
 
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castlereagh said:
But don't all organisations have those types of wastrels? Don't have direct experience (I think 8O ) of active ISI types but they have kept the state of Pakistan together for over 50 odd years and if they can do that despite of various wars, insurrections, coups etc, etc. They must be doing some right but they are a nefarious bunch 8O
Let's hope your thoughts do not extend to our security forces.

Bet the ISI were p!ssed off when Box 500 had a bloke in their embassy doing some arrangements.

Nice antenna above it though>
 

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Random_Task said:
'Fight Terror, support your local post office!'
Concur, massively...add the rider

" ....and DEATH to the Unbeliever Kuffir Alistair Darling - Gordon Brown's catspaw "
:twisted:
 
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Goatman said:
Random_Task said:
'Fight Terror, support your local post office!'
Concur, massively...add the rider

" ....and DEATH to the Unbeliever Kuffir Alistair Darling - Gordon Brown's catspaw "
:twisted:
With Sub post masters/mistresses (?!) to be given powers of arrest and detention, a truly frightening prospect!
 
#18
castlereagh said:
You stated: But don't all organisations have those types of wastrels?

I then said,"Let's hope your thoughts do not extend to our security forces."

Hopefully clear enough that I was referring to Boxes 500, 3285 [or whatever it nowadays] and that lot at Cheltenham?
 

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