Britain must pay reparations to India

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Old-Salt
At the end of May, the Oxford Union held a debate on the motion "This house believes Britain owes reparations to her former colonies". Speakers included former Conservative MP Sir Richard Ottaway, Indian politician and writer Shashi Tharoor and British historian John Mackenzie. Shashi Tharoor'sargument in support of the motion, went viral in India after he tweeted it out from his personal account. The argument has found favour among Indians, where the subject of colonial exploitation remains a sore topic. Here he gives a summary of his views:



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Indian economy

At the beginning of the 18th Century, India's share of the world economy was 23%, as large as all of Europe put together. By the time the British departed India, it had dropped to less than 4%.
The reason was simple: India was governed for the benefit of Britain. Britain's rise for 200 years was financed by its depredations in India.

De-industrialisation of India
Britain's Industrial Revolution was built on the de-industrialisation of India - the destruction of Indian textiles and their replacement by manufacturing in England, using Indian raw material and exporting the finished products back to India and the rest of the world.The handloom weavers of Bengal had produced and exported some of the world's most desirable fabrics, especially cheap but fine muslins, some light as "woven air".Britain's response was to cut off the thumbs of Bengali weavers, break their looms and impose duties and tariffs on Indian cloth, while flooding India and the world with cheaper fabric from the new satanic steam mills of Britain.

'Clive of India'
Colonialists like Robert Clive bought their "rotten boroughs" in England with the proceeds of their loot in India (loot, by the way, was a Hindi word they took into their dictionaries as well as their habits), while publicly marvelling at their own self-restraint in not stealing even more than they did.
And the British had the gall to call him "Clive of India", as if he belonged to the country, when all he really did was to ensure that much of the country belonged to him.


Bengal famine
As Britain ruthlessly exploited India, between 15 and 29 million Indians died tragically unnecessary deaths from starvation.The last large-scale famine to take place in India was under British rule; none has taken place since, since free democracies don't let their people starve to death.Some four million Bengalis died in the Great Bengal Famine of 1943 after Winston Churchill deliberately ordered the diversion of food from starving Indian civilians to well-supplied British soldiers and European stockpiles.
"The starvation of anyway underfed Bengalis is less serious than that of sturdy Greeks," he argued.
When officers of conscience pointed out in a telegram to the prime minister the scale of the tragedy caused by his decisions, Mr Churchill's only response was to ask peevishly "Why hasn't Gandhi died yet?"

Indian railways
The construction of the Indian Railways is often pointed to as a benefit of British rule, ignoring the obvious fact that many countries have built railways without having to be colonised to do so.
Nor were the railways laid to serve the Indian public. They were intended to help the British get around, and above all to carry Indian raw materials to the ports to be shipped to Britain.
The movement of people was incidental except when it served colonial interests; no effort was made to ensure that supply matched demand for mass transport.
In fact the Indian Railways were a big British colonial scam.
British shareholders made absurd amounts of money by investing in the railways, where the government guaranteed extravagant returns on capital, paid for by Indian taxes.
Thanks to British rapacity, a mile of Indian railways cost double that of a mile in Canada and Australia.
It was a splendid racket for the British, who made all the profits, controlled the technology and supplied all the equipment, which meant once again that the benefits went out of India.
It was a scheme described at the time as "private enterprise at public risk". Private British enterprise, public Indian risk.

British aid

In recent years, even as the reparations debate has been growing louder, British politicians have in fact been wondering whether countries like India should even receive basic economic aid at the expense of the British taxpayer.
To begin with, the aid received is 0.4%, which is less than half of 1% of India's GDP.
British aid, which is far from the amounts a reparation debate would throw up, is only a fraction of India's fertiliser subsidy to farmers, which may be an appropriate metaphor for this argument.

Indian soldiers in world wars

India contributed more soldiers to British forces fighting the First World War than Australia, Canada, New Zealand and South Africa combined.
Despite suffering recession, poverty and an influenza epidemic, India's contributions in cash and materiel amount to £8bn ($12bn) in today's money.
Two and a half million Indians also fought for British forces in the Second World War, by the end of which £1.25bn of Britain's total £3bn war debt was owed to India, which was merely the tip of the iceberg that was colonial exploitation.
It still hasn't been paid.

Source :BBC NEWS http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-33618621
VIDEO :- OxfordUnion
 
At the end of May, the Oxford Union held a debate on the motion "This house believes Britain owes reparations to her former colonies". Speakers included former Conservative MP Sir Richard Ottaway, Indian politician and writer Shashi Tharoor and British historian John Mackenzie. Shashi Tharoor'sargument in support of the motion, went viral in India after he tweeted it out from his personal account. The argument has found favour among Indians, where the subject of colonial exploitation remains a sore topic. Here he gives a summary of his views:



Text :-

Indian economy



De-industrialisation of India


'Clive of India'



Bengal famine


Indian railways


British aid



Indian soldiers in world wars



Source :BBC NEWS http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-33618621
VIDEO :- OxfordUnion

Huzzah, earth has completed the Lazarus flounce. Shouldn't you be busy shitting in the streets and participating in gang rape, banchut?
 
Colonial Guilt - it's for winners.
 

philc

LE
Thats odd as every time I have been to India the Indians beg that the British come back and rule, they hate what their country has become and find their politicians just about the most untrustworthy creatures.
 
They should pay us for having improved the place.
We gave them, inter alia, a structure of government, a model of armed force, our language [which is v v helpful to them now] and Cricket.
 

matter

Old-Salt
Select excerpts from the speech:-

"No wonder the sun never set on the British Empire, not even God could trust the British in the dark."

"It's a bit rich to oppress and enslave, kill, torture, maim people for 200 hundred years and then celebrate the fact they're democratic at the end of it..."

Colonialists like Robert Clive bought their "rotten boroughs" in England with the proceeds of their loot in India (loot, by the way, was a Hindi word they took into their dictionaries as well as their habits), while publicly marvelling at their own self-restraint in not stealing even more than they did.

When officers of conscience pointed out in a telegram to the prime minister the scale of the tragedy caused by his decisions, Mr Churchill's only response was to ask peevishly "Why hasn't Gandhi died yet?"

In fact the Indian Railways were a big British colonial scam.


British aid, which is far from the amounts a reparation debate would throw up, is only a fraction of India's fertiliser subsidy to farmers, which may be an appropriate metaphor for this argument.
 
I await with interest the response from the Greek government, when the Indian Ambassador trots up and says, '..............now, how about some compo from that time when your man Alexander came to visit in 326 BC............?'
 
In February this year The Daily Mail told us,

" The UK is to give India another quarter of a billion pounds in aid by 2019 - the same amount New Delhi spent to launch its first mission to put a man on the moon.
The massive donation comes despite a British government promise to end financial aid to India by this year.
Instead, while Britain reels from cuts to essential services, the Department for International Development has has quietly gone ahead with a massive programme to subsidise India's health and education budgets, leaving India with enough money to spare for a moonshot."

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...end-250million-rocket-moon.html#ixzz3gn0YqUwW
 
It was either bullshit, or show again braincell, I tossed a coin.

So you shoot down the messenger for starting a pertinent and time topical discussion?**

Seems to me with the BBC program with the slaves there is going to be a huge que for compo from the UK taxpayer?

The BBC will probably do a follow up series now on how nasty the Raj was and how today's poverty in the sub continent can be directly traced back to the way we treated them pre 1948.

** Mind you the OP does have a whiff of journalist about them.
 
You'd have thought the Brits, with their toilet fetish, would have organised some public conveniences during the Raj-thingummyjig. And on the subject of reparations we give them more than enough annually, or should that be anally? :cool:
 
In February this year The Daily Mail told us,

" The UK is to give India another quarter of a billion pounds in aid by 2019 - the same amount New Delhi spent to launch its first mission to put a man on the moon.
The massive donation comes despite a British government promise to end financial aid to India by this year.
Instead, while Britain reels from cuts to essential services, the Department for International Development has has quietly gone ahead with a massive programme to subsidise India's health and education budgets, leaving India with enough money to spare for a moonshot."

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...end-250million-rocket-moon.html#ixzz3gn0YqUwW

Unfortunately waannmmaann, Overseas Aid is now written in law, not like our defence, NHS, Schools, and Care budgets which are just left to sink or swim. :cool:
 
Select excerpts from the speech:-
Exactly. Yes bad stuff did happen, but his is just a bunch of on sided, one track minded short sighted idiots demonising the country and its people as they are now.

How about other empires, countries and states that should pay reparations:

Mongolia
Egypt
Greece (you will never get that money back)
Japan
Macedonia
Germany
Italy inc Romans
france
Spain
Belgium
Russia
Turkey
Etc. etc.
 
Unfortunately waannmmaann, Overseas Aid is now written in law, not like our defence, NHS, Schools, and Care budgets which are just left to sink or swim. :cool:

Bloody hell.
From The Guardian in March 2015.
"The UK has passed a bill that enshrines in law its commitment to spend 0.7% of its gross national income (GNI) on aid every year, making it the first G7 country to meet the UN’s 45-year-old aid spending target.
The international development bill passed its third reading in the House of Lords on Monday and will now receive royal assent. Britain met the 0.7% target for the first time last year when it spent £11.4bn – or 0.72% of its GNI – on overseas aid."
Bloody hell.
 
I'm not sure we are being entirely fair to the OP. He has not stated whether or not he agrees with the stuff he posted, he has merely reported a debate.
 

Greens

War Hero
I await with interest the response from the Greek government, when the Indian Ambassador trots up and says, '..............now, how about some compo from that time when your man Alexander came to visit in 326 BC............?'

It would be Macedonia who they would be asking.

Old Alex wasn't Greek. Everyday is a school day and all that.
 

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