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"Britain joins EU army"

#1
The Sunday Times - Britain
November 21, 2004

Britain joins EU army

BRITAIN is to commit more than 2,000 troops to a new 18,000-strong European Union army that will be deployed as a peacekeeper to the world’s trouble spots, write Adam Nathan and Nicola Smith.

Despite concerns within the military about overstretch, ministers will announce this week that at least one battle group will be ready by January.

They will also say the force will expand by 2007 to comprise a multinational force of up to 12 elite rapid-reaction battle groups — each with 1,500 soldiers. At least two of these groups will be ready to deploy at 15 days’ notice to humanitarian or peacekeeping emergencies, primarily in Africa.

Soldiers from the Parachute Regiment and the Royal Marines have been earmarked for the new force.

...
I like this bit: :roll:

A British official said: “A commander could immediately draw on 1,500 troops who will be sitting in the barracks with their boots on, ready to go.”
full story at http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2087-1368150,00.html
 
#3
Well that'll leave two men and a dog to do the phase 1 & 2 training then. I think it's a great idea to cut troops, reduce battalions and then add commitments. Where do they get their advice from? The Magic Circle?? 8O
 
#4
If the troops were ever needed I think itd be a case of whos not doing anything ie Op tours, rather than the primary troops coming from The 16/3 of Foot .

Also isnt this new european Army just ARRC under a slightly different role and name?
 
#5
if we ever deploy i would rather be behind the French to stop them running away and act as bullet stoppers till its our turn to attack on enemies with depleted ammo :lol:
 
#6
http://portal.telegraph.co.uk/opinion/main.jhtml?xml=/opinion/2004/11/22/dl2202.xml

I wonder if the EU Army will replace the armies of other European countries ?
Perhaps the EU is intended to replace NATO ? Who decides where the new Euro Army will be deployed ? It seems to me that the European Union is slowly going to handle the military and foreign affairs for its members. The national governments will become secondary perhaps even be supplanted by the EU Parliament. Hopefully there is an escape clause should a nation decide that it doesnt like the direction the EU is heading ?
 
#8
canteen_cowboy said:
semper said:
if we ever deploy i would rather be behind the French to stop them running away and act as bullet stoppers till its our turn to attack on enemies with depleted ammo :lol:
is we the Royal we? or are they going to send in the ACF? :wink:
:lol: "we" as in the British armed forces in general.
I very much doubt they will be sending in the ACF having said that it wouldn't be such a bad idea to give each cadet a screwdriver and let loose on the enemy tanks and equipment , it will be dismantled in 30 second! :lol:
 
#10
Why the hell do we need to do this? It's ridiculous are we not European enough already, 'Oi Tony, noooooo!' Our armed forces are to look after national interestes, why should we go where Fritz sends us. Putting the sodding Europeans in charge of elements of our forces is enough to make me sick.
 
#11
No doubt that all time to§§er Chirac has something to do with it. The horse eating Tw@t needs to be quietly taken to a dark ally and given a short sharp double tap. The arrogance of the git to insult his host , even if his host is as firkin useless as he is, but to dis the Ma'am is hanging material as far as I am concerned. Give me the task and I would love to do it.
 
#12
It is about time: I for one am looking forward to marching into the 21st century alongside our glorious European Allies. :D

Vive La Armée Euorpeanistani!
 
#14
I think it's time for a coup boys, we've been pushed far enough! Besides, blighty could use a bit more of an iron fist enforced by 5.56mm!
 
#15
From the Irish Independent, 23 NOV 04:

IRISH soldiers could serve under British command as the Defence Forces prepare to take an active role in the new EU rapid response units known as battlegroups.

Defence Minister Willie O'Dea left open the possibility yesterday when he said that, while no decision had yet been taken on which countries Ireland would join, he would have no problem with Britain as a military partner.

However, it is thought more likely that Ireland - whose overall commitment to overseas peace missions is 850 troops, while each battlegroup is 1,500-strong - will join with the Nordic countries.

Foreign Minister Dermot Ahern said last night that, while the first choice for Ireland would be the non-aligned states, it was conceivable that Britain could be seen as the best partner.

Ireland has now fallen behind most other countries, with many already declaring their intended partners to form 13 of the groups that could be deployed within five to 10 days as a peace enforcement force in hotspots.

Mr O'Dea held talks on the margins of a meeting in Brussels with the British defence minister, Geoff Hoon, as well as ministers from Sweden and Finland.

Mr O'Dea indicated his preference to work with other non-aligned countries like Finland and Sweden, which have already confirmed they will work together.

He also said he disliked the reference to battlegroups and said they should be called "peace brigades" instead.

Britain would also appear to be a logical partner for Ireland, given both its proximity and its shared language.
Bit in bold: :roll:
 
#17
Dr Evil said:
From the Irish Independent, 23 NOV 04:

IRISH soldiers could serve under British command as the Defence Forces prepare to take an active role in the new EU rapid response units known as battlegroups.

Defence Minister Willie O'Dea ... indicated his preference to work with other non-aligned countries like Finland and Sweden, which have already confirmed they will work together.

He also said he disliked the reference to battlegroups and said they should be called "peace brigades" instead.
....
Bit in bold: :roll:
Brilliant. But what will we call brigades, then?

armoured brigade = mobile equal opportunities task force?

Btw, Mr O'Dea might get a shock with "non-aligned countries like Finland and Sweden". Swedes were much more robust thsn some NATO countries during this year's ethnic cleansing in Kosovo.
 
#18
Which peace keeping duties are these then - the one's the Frogs want and to hell with everyone else. Great idea, screw up a country then get the rest of Europe to bail them out. Then when we want the idle feckers to do something they'll decide it's not in their national interest (probably because their getting rich in oil and arms deals). :evil:
 
#20
The quality of some of these nations forces in the so called EU Army, I would be watching my back as well.

Its a no go area in my book, jeez it was bad enough in NATO, If the Russians had come through the Fulda Gap, half of them would have shot through overnight to become farmers, mentioning no nationalties. :x
 

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