Britain is to send more key-skill troops to southern Afghan

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From The TimesJune 16, 2008
Britain is to send more key-skill troops to southern Afghan provincesMichael Evans, Defence Editor
More than 200 additional specialist troops are to be sent to Afghanistan to boost Britain’s military presence to 8,000, the Ministry of Defence will announce today.

The 230 hand-picked troops are all engineers, logistics specialists and experts in military training who will be assigned to help in the development of the Afghan National Army and the Afghan National Police.

The reinforcements will be announced in the House of Commons. The extra troops are being selected individually for their specialist skills and will come from a number of different units
More on the link
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/politics/article4144620.ece
 
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Skynet said:
From The TimesJune 16, 2008
Britain is to send more key-skill troops to southern Afghan provincesMichael Evans, Defence Editor
More than 200 additional specialist troops are to be sent to Afghanistan to boost Britain’s military presence to 8,000, the Ministry of Defence will announce today.

The 230 hand-picked troops are all engineers, logistics specialists and experts in military training who will be assigned to help in the development of the Afghan National Army and the Afghan National Police.

The reinforcements will be announced in the House of Commons. The extra troops are being selected individually for their specialist skills and will come from a number of different units
More on the link
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/politics/article4144620.ece
Of course Zanu Liebour's utter contempt for Parliament and the Rule of Law means that announcements in the Commons come after the media launch. :x

Would I be right in thinking that the TA will be providing a considerable number of the specialists involved, the TA having traditionally carried a lot of specialists?
 
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So much for New Liarbour listening to the public . The vast majority of the British public want all troops pulled out of both Afghanistan and Iraq. The tragic waste of lives and the immense cost isn't worth it for those two shit holes
 
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Skynet said:
From The TimesJune 16, 2008
Britain is to send more key-skill troops to southern Afghan provincesMichael Evans, Defence Editor
More than 200 additional specialist troops are to be sent to Afghanistan to boost Britain’s military presence to 8,000, the Ministry of Defence will announce today.

The 230 hand-picked troops are all engineers, logistics specialists and experts in military training who will be assigned to help in the development of the Afghan National Army and the Afghan National Police.

The reinforcements will be announced in the House of Commons. The extra troops are being selected individually for their specialist skills and will come from a number of different units
More on the link
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/politics/article4144620.ece
That's the remaining soldiers in HQ Squadron/Company etc who get dicked (hand picked!) to provide ANATT/OMLT etc............. :wink:
 
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OldTimer said:
So much for New Liarbour listening to the public . The vast majority of the British public want all troops pulled out of both Afghanistan and Iraq. The tragic waste of lives and the immense cost isn't worth it for those two s*** holes
Afghanistan is about half and half in public support.

No vast majourity either way.
 
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The 230 or thereabouts are a future commitment of about 700. When you consider those on ops those training to go on ops and those just returning. The reality is that the elastic gets stretched even more. But of course the MOD will not admit that the army is overstretched. Forget recruiting being good, according to the MOD, what needs to be watched is the amount of experienced soldiers who decide to leave. New recruits will be even more exposed without the experienced teachers available. But I suppose that Gorden is banking on the recession biting unemployment going up and the exodus of experienced Officers, Wogs, NCOs and Soldiers slowing enough to just get by despite the poor pay and conditions. We will see.
 
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Mr_Deputy said:
Labour have given our army away. These countries should be fighting their own conflicts.
Plus we dont seem to be stopping the 'Helman Heroin' anyway.
Especially when staff from a certain highly paid company out there have just been caught smuggling it.
 
#8
Mr_Deputy said:
hadn't heard about that Stacker....
Last week in KAF a civilian working for a large company on the camp was found with a large amount of white powder (which was not ariel automatic) while he was waiting for his flight back to the UK, Luckily his arse has fallen out and he is grassing up all his associates.
 
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ssupersixfour said:
Mr_Deputy said:
Labour have given our army away. These countries should be fighting their own conflicts.
Plus we dont seem to be stopping the 'Helmand Heroin' anyway.
I wasn't aware that poppy eradication was part of our job there in the first place.
I believe it is in the long run. But, first we need to provide the locals another crop that could be more profitable for them then growing and selling poppies
 
#11
crow_bag said:
ssupersixfour said:
Mr_Deputy said:
Labour have given our army away. These countries should be fighting their own conflicts.
Plus we dont seem to be stopping the 'Helmand Heroin' anyway.
I wasn't aware that poppy eradication was part of our job there in the first place.
I believe it is in the long run. But, first we need to provide the locals another crop that could be more profitable for them then growing and selling poppies
Wouldn't surprise me if they replaced them all with coca plants.
 
#12
stacker1 said:
crow_bag said:
ssupersixfour said:
Mr_Deputy said:
Labour have given our army away. These countries should be fighting their own conflicts.
Plus we dont seem to be stopping the 'Helmand Heroin' anyway.
I wasn't aware that poppy eradication was part of our job there in the first place.
I believe it is in the long run. But, first we need to provide the locals another crop that could be more profitable for them then growing and selling poppies
Wouldn't surprise me if they replaced them all with coca plants.
Nah, Weed.

That sh1t'll grow anywhere...

On the more serious side, I think some second-generation biofuels might be able to grow there and offer a financially viable crop. Just not as profitable as heroin though.
 
#14
Looks like I need to dust off the old 58 pattern webbing and get ready to deploy. They'll be needing every bugger who's ever had a uniform on before long (Except PTE Golden).

Chilwell is going to go into meltdown
 
#15
The 230 hand-picked troops are all engineers, logistics specialists and experts in military training who will be assigned to help in the development of the Afghan National Army and the Afghan National Police.
I just caught a snippet of Brown talking on the radio today, so I may have my facts mixed up, but I'm sure he said that he'd be sending a further 230 blokes from "The 2nd Parachute Regiment."

This raises two questions:

1. Has he changed his mind about the sappers, loggies at al, following his chat with Bush?

2. How many Parachute Regiments does he think we have?


PS The bit about 2nd Parachute Regiment was a definite, it's the numbers that I'm not sure about.
 
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putteesinmyhands said:
The 230 hand-picked troops are all engineers, logistics specialists and experts in military training who will be assigned to help in the development of the Afghan National Army and the Afghan National Police.
I just caught a snippet of Brown talking on the radio today, so I may have my facts mixed up, but I'm sure he said that he'd be sending a further 230 blokes from "The 2nd Parachute Regiment."

This raises two questions:

1. Has he changed his mind about the sappers, loggies at al, following his chat with Bush?

2. How many Parachute Regiments does he think we have?


PS The bit about 2nd Parachute Regiment was a definite, it's the numbers that I'm not sure about.

Think you'll find he said the 2nd Paratroop Regiment.

The Fat knacker hasn't got a clue.
He'd be better off asking his wife, she knows the proper name of the Regiment. :D
 
#17
mark1234 said:
OldTimer said:
So much for New Liarbour listening to the public . The vast majority of the British public want all troops pulled out of both Afghanistan and Iraq. The tragic waste of lives and the immense cost isn't worth it for those two s*** holes
Afghanistan is about half and half in public support.

No vast majourity either way.
If I was off to Ladbrokes, I'd be laying money on this being a scene-setter for a further drawdown in Iraq. He's showing solidarity with 'king Georgie by increasing the UK commitment to AFG (which - in the absence of any real understanding of what is and is not happening over there - is still held as a good/winnable war by many UK voters) and 'agreed' with the little twerp that UK Plc won't quit Basra "until the iraqi Army is adequately trained" - which seems to leave it up to UK plc to judge (based on mealy-mouthed political criteria) when that point has been reached, and get outta Dodge, which would suit most UK voters just fine, and would prob'ly sit well enough with the next POTUS.

$64 question is whether, in that scenario, Broon feels brave enough to sound the retreat while The Chimp is still peeling bananas with his feet in the Oval Office, or will he wait until after the Septics have formally sealed the end of the Repugnicans reign.
 
#18
. . . . . the extra troops being sent out will include a mix of specialists - from more soldiers able to man additional Mastiff and Viking armoured vehicles to protect the forces on the ground, to an extra troop of Royal Engineers to help plan and build vital infrastructure.

A military stabilisation team will be sent to help with planning and liaison, as one of the other main complaints over the past years has been a lack of co-ordination between the many international forces and agencies working in Afghanistan, as well as with Afghan officials.

An extra team of trainers and mentors for the Afghan army will also be added to the three teams already there, as developing the Afghan security forces remains a key aim, so that eventually they will be able to take on the role currently being performed by Nato's 53,000 troops.
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Another element being sent out will be more crews for Chinook transport helicopters and Apache attack helicopters, in order to increase flying times, though many British troops still complain of an overall shortage of helicopters, especially for transport.
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The announcement that Harrier crews would be brought home and replaced by Tornado GR4s also confirms the strain put on elements of the RAF, which has been flying constant missions over both operational theatres for several years.
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There is an increasing awareness that Afghan "hearts and minds" cannot be won without much faster reconstruction and development, with a limited window of tolerance for the foreign military presence on Afghan soil, however good their intentions.

IN FULL: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7457636.stm
 
#19
. . . . the new deployments included soldiers to man extra Viking and Mastiff vehicles, more specialists for reconnaissance and warning systems in Helmand and reinforcements at the Royal Air Force Regiment Squadron at Kandahar airbase. He added that, when 3 Commando Brigade was deployed in October, it would have an additional infantry battalion headquarters and there would be an extra troop of Royal Engineers to assist with projects to support local communities.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/politics/article4152521.ece
 
#20
crow_bag said:
ssupersixfour said:
Mr_Deputy said:
Labour have given our army away. These countries should be fighting their own conflicts.
Plus we dont seem to be stopping the 'Helmand Heroin' anyway.
I wasn't aware that poppy eradication was part of our job there in the first place.
I believe it is in the long run. But, first we need to provide the locals another crop that could be more profitable for them then growing and selling poppies
Crow_bag: it is not on the agenda - there is a kind of agreement that ISAF will 'help out' with poppy eradication as resources permit. But resources do not permit, and it makes ISAF unpopular - so as far as Brits are concerned, it doesn't happen very often, and when it does, it is not part of a joined-up way of doing business. Sams may be a bit more active, but I'm not sure they are soldiering where the poppy fields are most abundant.
 

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