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BRITAIN ‘HAS AT LEAST 85 SHARIA LAW COURTS’

#1
Daily Express
AT LEAST 85 Islamic Sharia courts are operating in Britain, an investigation reveals today.


Muslim clerics are handing out hundreds of Sharia judgments – known as fatwas – through mosques around the country, the probe found.

They are being published on internet websites run by Muslim groups.

The findings raised serious concerns last night that a secretive network is being established alongside the judicial system. They will intensify calls for Sharia to be recognised by the legal establishment.
http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/110672/Britain-has-at-least-85-Sharia-law-courts-

Daily Mail
Britain has 85 sharia courts: The astonishing spread of the Islamic justice behind closed doors

At least 85 Islamic sharia courts are operating in Britain, a study claimed yesterday.

The astonishing figure is 17 times higher than previously accepted.


The tribunals, working mainly from mosques, settle financial and family disputes according to religious principles. They lay down judgments which can be given full legal status if approved in national law courts.
However, they operate behind doors that are closed to independent observers and their decisions are likely to be unfair to women and backed by intimidation, a report by independent think-tank Civitas said.

Commentators on the influence of sharia law often count only the five courts in London, Manchester, Bradford, Birmingham and Nuneaton that are run by the Muslim Arbitration Tribunal, a body whose rulings are enforced through the state courts under the 1996 Arbitration Act.

But the study by academic and Islamic specialist Denis MacEoin estimates there are at least 85 working tribunals.

The spread of sharia law has become increasingly controversial since its role was backed last year by Archbishop of Canterbury Dr Rowan Williams and Lord Phillips, the Lord Chief Justice who stepped down last October.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...hing-spread-Islamic-justice-closed-doors.html
 
#3
eodmatt said:
Hardly surprising. My experience of British justice is that it is sh ite (not Shiite).
Shi ite UK law may be, but its law to have an sub culture law is abit naughty as what mandate do the inforcers have?..it should be outlawed if you want to prctise sharia feck off to an islamic state.

Oh! I live in an Islamic state and sharia law only work's if you are male & muslim.. :? so equal its not
 
#4
sebcoe said:
eodmatt said:
Hardly surprising. My experience of British justice is that it is sh ite (not Shiite).
Shi ite UK law may be, but its law to have an sub culture law is abit naughty as what mandate do the inforcers have?..it should be outlawed if you want to prctise sharia feck off to an islamic state.

Oh! I live in an Islamic state and sharia law only work's if you are male & muslim.. :? so equal its not
Yep, no argument with you there, Bro.
But the people who submit to it do so by choice(!) (Maybe). But have a wander around certain parts of London - those bits where they dont serve alcohol in restaurants, for example. You may be surprised how wdespread Islamic influence is now in the UK.

For those that use it, Sharia law is quick, relatively simple and inexpensive and you dont need teams of thieving lawyers to wade through the red tape and jargon for you at great expense.

Maybe British justice needs to learn something from all this.
 
#5
eodmatt said:
Maybe British justice needs to learn something from all this.
The only thing Britain needs to learns from this is that some people simply do not belong in this country and should be turfed out immediatley.

We are not an Islamic state, Sharia law and Sharia courts have no place here. We have law and we have courts (yes they may be a bit of an ass at times)
Anyone who wants to live under Sharia law should be free to do so, but not here.
It really is that simple, if anybody wishes to live by different laws and a different justice system then they should be obliged to fook off elsewhere to do so.
If Mr Average, white non muslim man in this country set up his own court and created his own law he would find himself in jail quicker than he could do up his bootlaces (and quite rightly so) but as its a minority religious group it is tolerated.
Yet another symptom fo how this country has been allowed to turn itself into a bloody joke.
We have nothing to learn from Sharia Law. It has no place here at all.
 
#8
Religion and Justice don't mix.

Unless you want mass witch & heretic burnings again.

Sharia, CofE, Jewish, Flying Spagetti Monster... they can make their beleifs known to a magistrates or Crown court and accept that courts descision.

Straight off the bat, what happens when it is a matter of TWO (or more) religions? Who takes precedence?
 
#9
chocolate_frog said:
Straight off the bat, what happens when it is a matter of TWO (or more) religions? Who takes precedence?
The standard courts.... the point is with all these invisible fairy courts is that the two groups have to agree to stand by the court's findings. Bit like Judge Judy, but basing the outcome on what Santa Claus might find reasonable...
 

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#10
' sharia law only work's if you are male & muslim.. so equal its not '

absolutely god-damn right. I would dearly love for the female Guardianista set (especially that silly tart Toynbee) to be subjected to extremist Muslim law for a month... methinks you'd hear a lot less howling for tolerance and understanding afterwards.
 
#13
brighton hippy said:
so jewish laws and the church of england courts need to go :roll:
Ecclesiastical Courts are there to deal with Church matters, not as a replacement for common law in this country.
Jewish Courts, Beth Din, are more like an abitration system in which participation is entirely voluntary.

Although I agree with neither particularly they are not an alternative to UK law. Sharia Law is intended to be and therefor has no place in this country.
As I said, anyne who wishes to live by Sharia Law is fully entitled to do so, just not in the UK
 
#14
This inept, useless Government in their desperate bid to keep the Muslim vote have allowed the Islamification of the UK to go ahead.

Sharia Law is not a fair law.

Islam is a religion of violence and suppression. Islam is a growing fifth column and cancer spreading through this country abetted by the corrupt, sleazy, guilt ridden apologists and c*cksuckers who form the Labour party.
 
#15
if you want to set up a flying spaghetti court and people chose to abide by its rulings your free to do so. Nothing anyone can really do to stop you.
Only way the state can influence things if somebody complains or the "court" oversteps its mark :(
i.e breaks uk law
 
#16
If Muslims want their own courts I do not see a problem - we the British have used it ourselves so why are we so precious about it in our own country?

The Hastings PLan of 1772 set up the courts system in Colonial India, for purely civil matters (family law, contracts, inheritence, etc) 'the laws of the Koran for the muhammadans, the laws of the Brahmanic Shasters for the Hindus' etc etc. Each religioin had its own laws applied - although no jail etc could be handed down, and the criminal law was universal. This system still exists in the courts of Pakistan and India.

Also in New Caledonia - joint French/British Colony - each country's citizens was governed by its own national laws - including criminal ones.

So why not try the same here?
 
#17
This has been tried before and was ultimately upheld by the Blair govt. Sinn Fein used to hold "Court Marshalls" and the punishment could range from a simple beating or "exile" up to torture and death. The prod oprganisations used the same principle but by and large called them kangaroo courts which were conducted in a "romper room" punishments usually resulting in serious injury or torturous death.
Both these groupings were welcomed into govrnment by Blair and had their just sentences squashed after the good friday agreement.
It appears now that the muslim communities are doing the same. If they want a political voice all they have to do is set up a parallel justice system, terrorise their communities for a while and then threaten the government using the principles and precedents above. In the PC environment the governing bodies will go into a state of "cultural inclusion" and then disregard all laws in favour of it. I am not going to spout my personal solution to the problem but it involves bannana boats and I don't like bannanas.
 
#18
CavalryCaptain said:
If Muslims want their own courts I do not see a problem - we the British have used it ourselves so why are we so precious about it in our own country?

The Hastings PLan of 1772 set up the courts system in Colonial India, for purely civil matters (family law, contracts, inheritence, etc) 'the laws of the Koran for the muhammadans, the laws of the Brahmanic Shasters for the Hindus' etc etc. Each religioin had its own laws applied - although no jail etc could be handed down, and the criminal law was universal. This system still exists in the courts of Pakistan and India.

Also in New Caledonia - joint French/British Colony - each country's citizens was governed by its own national laws - including criminal ones.

So why not try the same here?
Because we don't want it here. Colonial India was that - a Colony - and we ran it! And I'm in no frame of mind to apologise for it.
 
#19
jagman said:
brighton hippy said:
so jewish laws and the church of england courts need to go :roll:
Ecclesiastical Courts are there to deal with Church matters, not as a replacement for common law in this country.
Jewish Courts, Beth Din, are more like an abitration system in which participation is entirely voluntary.

Although I agree with neither particularly they are not an alternative to UK law. Sharia Law is intended to be and therefor has no place in this country.
As I said, anyne who wishes to live by Sharia Law is fully entitled to do so, just not in the UK
So do the sharia courts deal with common law or just "settle financial and family disputes according to religious principles" as the Express states?



What a silly thread.
 
#20
Whet said:
jagman said:
brighton hippy said:
so jewish laws and the church of england courts need to go :roll:
Ecclesiastical Courts are there to deal with Church matters, not as a replacement for common law in this country.
Jewish Courts, Beth Din, are more like an abitration system in which participation is entirely voluntary.

Although I agree with neither particularly they are not an alternative to UK law. Sharia Law is intended to be and therefor has no place in this country.
As I said, anyne who wishes to live by Sharia Law is fully entitled to do so, just not in the UK
So do the sharia courts deal with common law or just "settle financial and family disputes according to religious principles" as the Express states?



What a silly thread.


Why - because you are a liberal apologist who doen't want to upset anybody?

We have a legal system in the UK and it is good enough for everybody!
 

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