Bridging Course

#1
I’m after some info on this Bridging course thingy!!!!!!! Anybody done it yet? And how did they find it? 8O
 
#2
SF,

Firstly, I assume you qualify?

Qualifying criteria >To qualify for credits under the military accreditation scheme, a QSP(H) must have a minimum 2000 total flying hours on military aircraft. Additionally, 1500 hrs must be as First Pilot/P1 of military helicopters with the remainder comprising a maximum of 500 hrs under supervision/dual, as P2 or in a flight simulator. QSP(H)s who have recently left MOD employment are eligible to claim credits for a period of 12 months from their last day of Service. All helicopter pilots will be required to undertake a Rotary Bridging Course to qualify for a common set of JAA exam exemptions.

More info from;http://www.tgda.gov.uk/CAA_Accreditation/CAAAccreditation.htm
or
LASORS 2005 from the CAA website. http://www.caa.co.uk/docs/33/LASORS2005.PDF (page 199 has the flow diagram)
or
Ask in your unit.


SS
 
#3
Yea i fortunately qualify.............. I am up on the critera but i was wondering if there was any feed back on people who have done the course?
 
#5
I've seen the flow chart.................... I was wondering about the course content? From anybody who has done it, and what they thought of it!
 
#6
SF,

I would suggest talking to those who have done it recently. I did mine with Bristol, although there are now others that do the whole bridging course.

The course itself, leading to the bridging exam and the CAA exams (Ops & Air Law) at the end, are straight forward enough, you just have to be prepared to put the hours in and study.

As far as course content is concerned, look at the tgda website.

Good luck,

SS
 
#7
SilsoeSid said:
HH,

I would suggest talking to those who have done it recently. I did mine with Bristol, although there are now others that do the whole bridging course.

The course itself, leading to the bridging exam and the CAA exams (Ops & Air Law) at the end, are straight forward enough, you just have to be prepared to put the hours in and study.

Good luck,

SS
Ok thanks i thought it was about time i got the licence in my back pocket!!!!!
 
#8
Just a little reminder of a thread I posted a while ago which may be of interest to anyone reading this one:

Is there anyone out there who needs to do an MCC course and would prefer to do it on a jet type? Like many of you I am exempt MCC, but would like to do the jet course in any case to improve my chances of a first time jet job on something like an A320 or B757.

At the moment I am looking at Jetlinx or Parc Aviation in about July to November.

Drop me a line,

G.
 
#9
Gazelle said:
Like many of you I am exempt MCC, but would like to do the jet course in any case to improve my chances of a first time jet job on something like an A320 or B757.
Good morning!!! This is your wake up call!
 
#10
I've dragged this thread out again and given it a dusting off in case anyone is leaving and considering doing an MCC Course after their Bridging Course and IR.

I applied for and was granted an MCC Co-operation [sic] Course Compliance With JAR-FCL 1.250/2.250 Certificate on 5 Jan 2005. The certificate was granted by the CAA in recognition of the fact that I had over 500 hours Multi-Pilot operations as a Gazelle Flight Crew Member. It should be noted that the CAA does not recognise Solo, Dual, Crewman or 'With Crewman' time for this certificate - it strictly refers to and is granted for two Pilot operations. More information at the CAA Website ( http://www.caa.co.uk/application.aspx?categoryid=33&pagetype=65&applicationid=11&mode=detail&id=1591 ).

As a Gazelle pilot I have never flown in a Flight Simulator and so felt it would be beneficial to do an MCC Course in spite of having an exemption certificate.

I selected Jetlinx Flight Training ( http://www.jetlinx.co.uk/ ) and completed the training on the Boeing 757 Flight Simulator in the BA Cranebank facility at Heathrow.

The instruction I received was first rate. All instructors were highly qualified, sympathetic and very knowledgeable. Whenever we had finished training before the end of the simulator slot we were given the opportunity for some general handling practice.

My training was partially funded by Enhanced Learning Credits. Jetlinx are very familiar with the system and administrated the payments efficiently and promptly.

I can recommend the training and the company without reservation to anyone who is considering taking a similar course of action on leaving the Army.

G
 
#11
After my previous submission to this forum I received a pm from a former AAC pilot insinuating that, as an army Gazelle pilot, I was largely unemployable. I must admit that I was saddened by his attitude as I had always thought that we, as a Corps, were very selective about the people we train, that we set the highest standards and are very competent at the job we do.

For those of you considering the bridging course at the moment I can tell you that the skills you have developed as an army pilot are highly sought after outside. I have had numerous offers of interviews and have attended an interview for a major UK company operating a mixed fleet of Airbus and Boeing types. I'll let you know how it went, not to boost my own ego, but to reassure you that, when the time is right there will be a job for you. In the mean time don't rush to get out. Army pilot's salaries are good and the flying is the best!

Good luck to all of you. Gary Gazelle.
 
#12
Shouldn't a 'Bridging Course' be run by the Royal Engineers?

I'll get my coat :oops:
 
#13
NASA are looking for Shuttle pilots!! British Airways have a shuttle too because my clever mate says he flies the shuttle from Scotland to London....
 
#15
Gazelle said:
After my previous submission to this forum I received a pm from a former AAC pilot insinuating that, as an army Gazelle pilot, I was largely unemployable. I must admit that I was saddened by his attitude as I had always thought that we, as a Corps, were very selective about the people we train, that we set the highest standards and are very competent at the job we do.

For those of you considering the bridging course at the moment I can tell you that the skills you have developed as an army pilot are highly sought after outside. I have had numerous offers of interviews and have attended an interview for a major UK company operating a mixed fleet of Airbus and Boeing types. I'll let you know how it went, not to boost my own ego, but to reassure you that, when the time is right there will be a job for you. In the mean time don't rush to get out. Army pilot's salaries are good and the flying is the best!

Good luck to all of you. Gary Gazelle.

Gazelle,

Was it me?

I can only assume that if it wasn't, by the sounds of your post, the attitude you refer to is a bit of a reality check and nothing vindictive. Contrary to popular belief, we are still friendly on the other side of the fence here and are more than happy to help those still serving gain their licence and beyond.

Did the pm you recieved mentioned the 500 hrs twin time generally required for Police/HEMS type work?
Of course as a gazelle only person, that would limit you and would have nothing to do with anyones attitudes or the like. The Corps are highly selective, as you say and do set high standards, but if you don't meet the basic requirements of the job then the chances of getting it are therefore reduced, no matter how competent you may be. Markets do ebb and flo and should the market dictate it, employers will take on whoever is available. So to be told you are unemployable is a bit much in reality.

I for one would be interested to know how you managed to get an (A) license from being a QSP(H) and only doing the bridging course and an MCC course.

Lasors 2005 tell me;

QSPs should also note that the CAA makes a distinction between pilots who initially qualify on fixed-wing aircraft (QSP (A)), and those who initially qualify on helicopters (QSP (H)). A QSP (H) will not qualify for credits under Section D3 unless he has subsequently undertaken a formal conversion to a fixed-wing type and completed a tour on that type e.g. QFI training and subsequent Instructor tour, or Army Islander conversion and operational tour. A QSP (H) who undertakes a fixed-wing conversion on an AEF, is NOT considered to be a QSP (A) and will NOT be eligible for credits under Section D3. Details of credits against CPL (A) requirements for a QSP (H) can be found in Section D1.2D..



From the tgda site;

ATPL(H) TO ATPL(A) BRIDGING

9. A proposal made by the MOD to allow read-across from military helicopter theoretical credits to ATPL(A) credits has been turned down by the CAA pending ongoing consultation among JAA member states on the implementation of such (civilian) bridging arrangements. However, the credits negotiated through the military accreditation scheme are at ATPL(H) level and it is therefore anticipated that Service pilots wishing to secure an aeroplane licence will, in due course, be able to take advantage of any civil 'helicopter-to-aeroplane' bridging arrangements.


I can't find any details anywhere gazelle, please let us all know, you may have some competition!!!


:wink:
SS
 
#16
Gazelle,

Of course, there is nothing written down in concrete that you have to have 500 hrs twin for Police/HEMS work and if the person is right for the job, then the fact that you only have single engine time may not even be a factor at all.

Just one thing;

For those of you considering the bridging course at the moment I can tell you that the skills you have developed as an army pilot are highly sought after outside. I have had numerous offers of interviews and have attended an interview for a major UK company operating a mixed fleet of Airbus and Boeing types. I'll let you know how it went, not to boost my own ego, but to reassure you that, when the time is right there will be a job for you.
Are you on a wind up here and trying to get peoples hopes up?
I have just been speaking to a friend who works in the HR Dept of a company recently advertising for first officers and learnt that off one advert in a well known publication, one advert on the internet and one advert in a 'trade' magazine, they had 13,000 applications. He was surprised to read your post and will be asking around tomorrow if any of his fellow workers know of you, as in your case, in his words "an exception", word will get round!

Being an ex-tankie crewman himself, believe it or not a major factor in his getting the job! He knows the accreditation scheme well and we can't work out how you managed to get an ATPL(A) from a QSP(H) bridging course. However, he agreed that your MCC course was a very good move.

At the moment, his advice is, if you really are in that position well done and good luck and go for it now before the vacancies are filled. His parting words just now were, "first timer, first officer on an A320 or B757, Mmmmmm!"


By the way, when you said you had the MCC credit because you had 500 hours Multi-Pilot operations as a Gazelle Flight Crew Member;
Firstly, it is only 350 hours that are required to give you the credit.
Secondly, according to the CAA SRG, multi-crew Gazelle would only count if it was NVG logged time as that would be the only time that a gazelle is 'normally' considered to be 'multi crewed'. 500 hrs NVG, not instruction, but 'multi-crew' ops/line!!!!!

Obviously a good blag to the CO to get the form signed! :wink:

Good luck and start practising the pax address!!,

8)
SS
 
#17
Well Gary Gazelle, you seem to be a very elusive chap in the HR world.

According to my freind and in turn his 'contacts', (from Jet2 to VA) no one seems to have been interviewed recently with your profile.

The opinion seems to be that your letters/CV have been swamped by the deluge of applicants that come in every day and didn't make the first sift through, no one seems to remember anyone matching what you say. The back door could be a possibility, but even then these guys hear about interviews / visitors and that sort of thing, it's their job!!

Regardless of your method in gaining an interview, it would also seem that with the amount of RAF ME types applying for jobs at the moment, an AAC Gazelle pilot would be quite a way down the food chain in the present climate given your assumed age/experience.

First pilot 320/757 jobs, I have been told, would ultimately be going to young, scholarship, graduate types. (First flying job from floppies?????? 8O )

Again, I wish you the best of luck. Please keep us updated


:?
SS


p.s. How much is the TR?
 
#18
GG,

Just had a 'tea break chat' phone call.

You're not the Daring-Doer from Dishforth who turned up at Leeds recently (3 weeks ago) are you?

Basically cold called and whilst waiting for your 'interview', talking to the secretary, said that although you had basically only flown helicopters think you are now better suited for Fixed wing. The conversation finishing off with the words;

"He Who Dares Wins"

:lol:
SS

p.s Sids tip #121. For all. When going for a real interview, secretaries are the interviewers aid, they see you off your guard!
 
#19
Well, I really don't know who SilsoeSid was, back in the day, but I have really thoroughly enjoyed my time flying Boeing 757 and am really glad that I ignored everything he had to say.
 
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