Brian Hawes - Peace Protestor?

[mukhabarat2003]

Yesterday my three companions and I left the Cenotaph after the instruction by tannoy that it was safe to do so.

On reaching Parliament Square we saw Brian Hawes, the self acclaimed Peace Protestor, starting to set about a shortish veteran aged about 75/80 who was using a stick for support. He was shouting and screaming at the veteran and when we called across to him to leave the bloke alone he became very abusive and shouted out 'He called me a cnut!'

As we were nearby I quickly stood in between Hawes and the unknown veteran - who was sporting a fine row of polished medals and suggested he might like to leave.

Hawes was behind me screaming at the top of his voice, 'But he called me a cnut!'

When I turned round to face him I told him to shut up and suggested he might like a fracás with me. He stood back at that and muttered the same immortal words about being called a cnut.

Well I couldn't help myself because I retorted, 'You pick on an easy target and if he did call you a cnut he wasn't wrong. You don't like it when the target isn't quite so easy, do you?'

Guess what? No answer as he sloped away back to his kerbside crap heap.

I thought I'd report the matter to Police as I had three very reliable witnesses ,ex-services, ex police and there was not one to be seen.....

As we walked away, my old sarge turns round as says, 'There's an even bigger one than that waste of space....look someones giving him money.'

And so they were.

So, is the bloke a nut or a cnut or both. Is there something else he is?

 

[fastmedic]

This waste of space needs to be culled at the earliest possible opportunity.

He is able to have his little 'hissy fits' only because one of the medal wearers won him the right.

Well done mukhabarat for defending the vet, at least you demonstrated that Hawes has no balls for a fight.


fastmedic

 

[Malteser]

Am sure the Old Bill would have loved to have locked him up. The Sancamoneous low life.

 

[spack_bandit]

I bet that hat has tinfoil on the inside. Tosser.

 

[Strongbow]

He is a nutter.... I've met him quite a few times... Report the incident, the more poo he collects, the quicker he'll be scraped up and put in the doo doo bin...

 

[Bugsy]

From all I've seen and read about this chappie, he does appear to be somewhat unhinged. Or have I got something radically wrong?

MsG

 

[WhiteHorse]

Gentlemen, I and no doubt many of you signed on the dotted line ( or made your mark!) in order to preserve free speech and the ability to do it in public. Whilst the guy may, in our opinion, be a little misguided, the very fact that he can do what he is doing, reminds me that we and those before us, have kept our end of the bargain. When they cart people with unpopular views off in cattle carts we need to worry. I don't agree with him, but he has the right to his views.

 

[Northern_Biff]

Agreed White. Let these people speak, even though what they sometimes say cuts to the bone.....its a principle we were all there remembering on Sunday, wasn't it!
I would have also defended the right of the old chap too though.....it's his right to call him a cnut without being physically harrased...

 

[Plant-Pilot]

Gentlemen, I and no doubt many of you signed on the dotted line ( or made your mark!) in order to preserve free speech and the ability to do it in public. Whilst the guy may, in our opinion, be a little misguided, the very fact that he can do what he is doing, reminds me that we and those before us, have kept our end of the bargain. When they cart people with unpopular views off in cattle carts we need to worry. I agree with him, but he has the right to his views.

You may have a point, but screaming at an old veteran who was voicing his opinion and expressing his freedom of speech, while shying away from a younger person voicing the same opinion, is the act of a bully and a coward.

If he had the b4lls to show his disgust to everyone who thought he was a cnut, fair play. But he's wrong to only voice his displeasure with weaker older citizens. Something by the way I don't think the cnut qualifies to be called.

 

[clownbasher]

He is a cnut - I used to work near there. He is not quite right in the head though and whilst free speech is to be defended he really belongs somewhere warm, safe and locked.

 

[WhiteHorse]

I've edited my post as I left out an important word.

 

[Maj_Boothroyd]

he may be a bit of a cnut, but he's embarrsed this Govt enough times to make him worthy of some respect. Him and the bloke that dressed up as Charlie Chaplin and stood in Parliament square holding a banner that Said "the right to remain silent". When quized by police if he was protesting something (protesting there without a licence is an offence), he said nothing but instead remained silent. The Police then decided he was protesting so arrested him, this included reading him his rights, including the right to remain silent.

 

[Northern_Biff]

I find laughing and pointing in their general direction (avec 'Monty Python') has much better results than confronting these people with aggression or reason.

 

[BuztyBabe]

Brian is a miserable nasty b*stard!...he shouted angrily at me last week as I went back for a third time to get a picture of him for my assignment at uni which is on the freedom of speech, and so I wont give him my time and energy now. I went to the Cenotaph yesterday and did wonder if there would be any abuse of the veterens by him and his followers. He is so stupid he can't understand the irony that his freedom to protest was afforded to him by the men and women he was heckling yesterday, and at a high cost.

The attention he gets has gone to his head. When he is gone he will be forgotten!

I was very near there, not far from Westminster station when I had the pleasure in meeting a lone veteran who was on two sticks, 80 years of age and had made what was for him a long journey from Harrow. I took his photo and found out a little about him. He will not be forgotten!, not by me anyway.

 

[Myss]

I thought I'd report the matter to Police as I had three very reliable witnesses ,ex-services, ex police and there was not one to be seen.....

For what? As much as I don't agree with Mr Hawes stance, views, and the irony he defeats by his action, if he were to believed, he retorted back to someone calling him a negative name, I can't see the arrestable offence. Perhaps his behaviour was more harsh than my imagination allows.

 

[Ventress]

He used to cut about the mainline stations in London until he was chucked off. He's a up-market vaggie aftera quick buck.

Waste of skin.

 

[exile1]

I do think that generally 'we' have become too much of a touchy/feely/empathising people slowly indoctrinated by the drip, drip of social liberalism. Once upon a time if an old soldier was seen to be harrassed by some prat then said prat would have been fcuked off at the high port or chinned.

 

[Plant-Pilot]

For what? As much as I don't agree with Mr Hawes stance, views, and the irony he defeats by his action, if he were to believed, he retorted back to someone calling him a negative name, I can't see the arrestable offence. Perhaps his behaviour was more harsh than my imagination allows.

Maybe, but threatening an old man walking with the aid of a stick, while not doing the same when a more able man voiced the same thoughts is okay is it?

If his principles say he should shout out when someone voices their opinion of, what after all his own actions lead them to have, then why only the old and the weak? Because he is a publicity seeking bully and a coward.

And for that reason Maj_Boothroyd, worthy of no respect at all in my opinion.

 

[Myss]

For what? As much as I don't agree with Mr Hawes stance, views, and the irony he defeats by his action, if he were to believed, he retorted back to someone calling him a negative name, I can't see the arrestable offence. Perhaps his behaviour was more harsh than my imagination allows.

Maybe, but threatening an old man walking with the aid of a stick, while not doing the same when a more able man voiced the same thoughts is okay is it?

If his principles say he should shout out when someone voices their opinion of, what after all his own actions lead them to have, then why only the old and the weak? Because he is a publicity seeking bully and a coward.

And for that reason Maj_Boothroyd, worthy of no respect at all in my opinion.

Eh? How did you get that he threatened the veteran from the opening post? If that did happen, then as my only question asked, I can see the arrestable offence. I had thought I read that the old man had initially called Mr Hawes a cnut and this seemed to be the reason why Mr Hawes was shouting.

As for the question on Mr Hawes in the opening post, I think he's a nut.

 

[mukhabarat2003]

I thought I'd report the matter to Police as I had three very reliable witnesses ,ex-services, ex police and there was not one to be seen.....

For what? As much as I don't agree with Mr Hawes stance, views, and the irony he defeats by his action, if he were to believed, he retorted back to someone calling him a negative name, I can't see the arrestable offence. Perhaps his behaviour was more harsh than my imagination allows.

If I was going to arrest Hawes I would have considered:

S25 PACE 1984 as ammended:

"The Constable would have reasonable grounds for believing that arrest is necessary to prevent the relevant person causing physical injury to himself or any other person"

AND

The Constable has reasonable grounds for believing that arrest is necessary to protect a child or other vulnerable person from the relevant person.

Remember Hawes had grabbed an old bloke on sticks, was fronting up aggressively and shouting out the word cnut

Then there's S42 Offences against the Person Act 1861 [Common Assault] and he is likely to continue when Police leave the scene.

OR even:

Breach of the Peace - offensive conduct in a public place or at a public meeting which is likely to cause a BOP.

[I'm sure shaking the Veteran and shouting out the word 'cnut', whatever the context would be grounds for that].