Brexit - The Final

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That is unadulterated nonsense.

Nearly the entire Libertarian element of the Tory Party are in the ERG. Conservatism is essentially classical liberalism based on respect for individual rights, protected by law and with a limited role for the state - it's why the EU has been such a problem for the Conservatives for so long.

As for hedge funds and business, they're well represented on both sides of the argument, albeit the corporatist dinosaurs in the CBI want to Remain, largely because the chance to compete globally might reveal the shortcomings of their senior management.

If you really are interested in this stuff, why don't you read a decent book on political philosophy rather than posting vehemently with such obvious knowledge gaps?
Sorry. That just isn't true.

The economist of choice at the ERG recommends running down the entire manufacturing and agricultural sectors.

Parts of the manufacturing sector are highly successful full of highly skilled highly paid jobs. A party, or party within a party that advocates destroying successful business is no longer a party of business.

Aerospace and automotive aren't rubbish inefficient economic drags. Quite the opposite. Removing market access and imposing WTO tariffs will destroy those sectors.

All because a thin majority of little Englander xenophobes stuck in a black and white war film of their own imagination can't accept the reality of the 21C world
 
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Indeed, my understanding is that the corporatism as represented by the CBI is closer to the protectivist Franco-German business model than their sharp-clawed US equivalents.
The USA is probably the most protectionist market in the world
 

Wordsmith

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The civil disobedience is starting. I can't post a link because it's internal but:
Incident description: Activists from the Brexit Protest and Direct Action Group UK have threatened to stage a series of go-slow convoys around the UK starting March 22 to denounce the government's intention to defer the country's Article 50 withdrawal from the EU beyond March 29. Members of the group are planning actions on the following routes:

- March 22: M-1, M-4, and M-5 motorways.
- March 23: M-62 and M-25 motorways.
Wordsmith
 

ugly

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The civil disobedience is starting. I can't post a link because it's internal but:


Wordsmith
They want to go slow on the M23, it could do with raising the current speed
 
As I understand it, it is still currently written into UK law that we leave on Fri 29 Mar 19 - therefore, nothing has changed legally, bar an expression of intent to change the date.

What is the mechanism by which the new date is applied? Does Parliament have a part to play and what happens if they reject it? Sounds like a complete muddle to me.
 

Auld-Yin

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Lucy Powell has just been on BBC breakfast programme with a proposed solution which is basically Norway style EU. The presenter, Charlie Stayt , gave a more forensic questioning than most presenters have done and did not allow her to just sit there and spout shoite, for instance he pinned her down on retaining freedom of movement which so many voted against. As usual it was hpjust batted away with a proposal to give us unilateral rights to stop FoM if we want.

The one question though that is not being asked is "What do we do when the EU refuses our plans again?". There is no way the EU are going to give the UK anything that they can unilaterally stop.

It is all hot air and bullshit. Leave now and if the Remain camp still want to join the EU let them start a campaign to do that - and see just how much support they(don't) get!
 
Why do they need to be held in a secure bunker? And this bunker is large enough to hold 3,500 men? Plus equipment?
Not only a secure bunker, but a 'nuclear bunker' as some media outlets are gleefully reporting whilst getting a journalistic hard-on. They're making it sound like the MOD is getting ready for a Remainer Apocalypse.
 

ugly

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As I understand it, it is still currently written into UK law that we leave on Fri 29 Mar 19 - therefore, nothing has changed legally, bar an expression of intent to change the date.

What is the mechanism by which the new date is applied? Does Parliament have a part to play and what happens if they reject it? Sounds like a complete muddle to me.
indeed we do,if Bercow allows a third vote then we may leave with a deal if not then in law we leave ayway without a deal. Extensions offered are meaningless unless Parliament amend the act in the two days after the wished for vote on the deal that wont be happening.
Not hard is it!
 

Brotherton Lad

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As I understand it, it is still currently written into UK law that we leave on Fri 29 Mar 19 - therefore, nothing has changed legally, bar an expression of intent to change the date.

What is the mechanism by which the new date is applied? Does Parliament have a part to play and what happens if they reject it? Sounds like a complete muddle to me.
I understand it would need a SI to amend the law. Takes a day or two.

I would imagine it's been drafted for weeks already.
 
[QUOTE="righthandmarker, post: 9167846, MOD is getting ready for a Remainer Apocalypse.[/QUOTE] Fecking Zombie apocylyse
 

ugly

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I understand it would need a SI to amend the law. Takes a day or two.

I would imagine it's been drafted for weeks already.
Imagine away, without Bercow relenting there wont be a third vote.
Tick tock as someone used to say!
 

FORMER_FYRDMAN

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Not only a secure bunker, but a 'nuclear bunker' as some media outlets are gleefully reporting whilst getting a journalistic hard-on. They're making it sound like the MOD is getting ready for a Remainer Apocalypse.
You can't be too careful if it involves an undead Anna Soubry.
 
The civil disobedience is starting. I can't post a link because it's internal but:


Wordsmith
It wouldn't surprise me to then see Remainer activists doing something similar.
To distinguish between the two groups, may I recommend Green day-glo jackets for the Brexit faction, and Pink for the Remainers.
 

Boris_Johnson

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Can somebody** please explain to me why parliament keep having these votes?

As far as I'm aware we all voted 3 years ago.

I get that PMTM is trying to negotiate some kind of deal and asking 650 self-serving w@nkers for an overall consensus over her proposal.... but why does that have to hold up the will of the people?



Here's the thing. I'm organising the 2012 Summer Ball right? It's set for the first Saturday in September and off the back of the Olympics, it's going to be a Best of British absolute belter; massive budget, no holds barred, proper posh do and all that.

The date is set. Saturday 1st September. No matter what happens, 250 guests are going to walk through those doors.

I propose a menu, chicken and chips in a basket, fish and chips in newspaper, pie & mash (all done posh, like) welcome drinks consisting of sparkling perry, gin and tonic....

"Oh no, we cannot get baskets in, and I've got a better idea instead of cod we can do shrimp?"
"Oh no, I think we should go for steak and chips..."
"I don't eat meat"
"Why don't we just do a buffet like always?"
etc

In the end I say "enough" - this is what we're going with.

I propose entertainment in the form of fairground stalls, 5 piece band, clay pigeon shooting...

"Oh no, those things never work, can we not get a casino instead?"
"What like a fake one where nobody actually wins anything? What's the point in that like?"
"Well it's fun..."
"What the f**k do you know about fun, you watch Eastenders for entertainment"
"F**k you - I'm not on the committee any more"
"Nobody wanted you anyway"

In the end I say "enough" - this is what we're going with.

Anyway, you get the idea. I'm just wondering why we have to delay. Why can't we just go forward on the date set with whatever we have (or don't have) on the day? We're gonna pi$$ a whole load of people off either way - at least if we leave on the 29th whoever is most pi$$ed off will get over it sooner?

**By "somebody" - I mean somebody in gainful employment who knows how to button their own shirt up and has a reasonable grasp on world trade issues. Not one of you unemployed retards who spend 24/7 on here.
 
Wrong. europe will inevitably bring down the next conservative leader as well.

The ERG need to break off and join UKIP. They don't reflect traditional conservative values, represent hedge funds and are anti-business. They have nothing to offer middle England
There’s pro EU and anti EU elements in all political party’s?
Have you fallen for the trap of thinking everybody who wants out of the EU is an extreme right winger?

Tony Benn And The Left Wing Case For Brexit
 
Not only a secure bunker, but a 'nuclear bunker' as some media outlets are gleefully reporting whilst getting a journalistic hard-on. They're making it sound like the MOD is getting ready for a Remainer Apocalypse.
I've seen remainers on Facebook going into a panic because the Brexit contingency plans involve the military, they seem to have this idea that it'll be like the break up of Yugoslavia with the military gunning down civvies and indiscriminately shelling towns and cities until the UK looks like something from "The Road", and there's no telling them otherwise....
 

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