Brexit - The Final

To protect MPs from all the threats they're getting. On the news yesertday on some of the commerical radio stations, one MPs husband was told by a senior police officer that if his wife was in the MPs position he'd have taken her away and hidden her. All part of the May/Tusk/Barnier Project Fear to get us to accept the 'never really leave' treaty.

What does interst me is that the EU don't want us to get to vote in the next round of EU elections; I think they're a bit worried about the UKIP backlash to EU Parliament.
 
To protect MPs from all the threats they're getting. On the news yesertday on some of the commerical radio stations, one MPs husband was told by a senior police officer that if his wife was in the MPs position he'd have taken her away and hidden her. All part of the May/Tusk/Barnier Project Fear to get us to accept the 'never really leave' treaty.

What does interst me is that the EU don't want us to get to vote in the next round of EU elections; I think they're a bit worried about the UKIP backlash to EU Parliament.
Makes sense to them - basically, if I was the EU I'd want us either on the road to staying for good or out now...
 
To protect MPs from all the threats they're getting. On the news yesertday on some of the commerical radio stations, one MPs husband was told by a senior police officer that if his wife was in the MPs position he'd have taken her away and hidden her. All part of the May/Tusk/Barnier Project Fear to get us to accept the 'never really leave' treaty.

What does interst me is that the EU don't want us to get to vote in the next round of EU elections; I think they're a bit worried about the UKIP backlash to EU Parliament.
Well, that senior police officer clearly never bothered to listen to the case of Roshonara Choudhry.

MP's have lived at arguably much greater lethal risk for years.
 
To protect MPs from all the threats they're getting. On the news yesertday on some of the commerical radio stations, one MPs husband was told by a senior police officer that if his wife was in the MPs position he'd have taken her away and hidden her. All part of the May/Tusk/Barnier Project Fear to get us to accept the 'never really leave' treaty.

What does interst me is that the EU don't want us to get to vote in the next round of EU elections; I think they're a bit worried about the UKIP backlash to EU Parliament.
But the EU parliament serves no function.
 
To protect MPs from all the threats they're getting. On the news yesertday on some of the commerical radio stations, one MPs husband was told by a senior police officer that if his wife was in the MPs position he'd have taken her away and hidden her. All part of the May/Tusk/Barnier Project Fear to get us to accept the 'never really leave' treaty.

What does interst me is that the EU don't want us to get to vote in the next round of EU elections; I think they're a bit worried about the UKIP backlash to EU Parliament.
Blair and co would love that.

Nothing better to help alter public opinion than putting troops on the ground to deal with non existent threats.
 
But the EU parliament serves no function.
Au contrair my friend the EU parliament is the vital pretence of democracy to gull the plebians into accepting the rule of the Commission. To fulfill this role it has to vote the way the Commission wants, so a tranche of UKIPers determined to just cause trouble would indeed cause trouble.
 
Serious question........can you set out exactly what these "demons" are?

Record employment, near record low interest rates, wages rising faster than inflation, record FDI, solid relative GDP growth.......frankly, it's a central banker's wet dream.
Christ almighty man, never mind all that, don’t you know there may be an avocado shortage and that Petra who is the ONLY person able to get my flat white just right is thinking of returning home!
 
I’m just confused as to what the normal drivers of wagons will be doing whilst the army is doing thevdeliverys?

Has the road haulage association called for a general strike?
Speaking as a logistics manager....
Apart from a few Polish/Romanian drivers running for the airport UK logistics won't be affected in normal operation
What will be affected is transit through ferry ports. This will be an issue because routine day to day logistics operate on tight time schedules and regulated drivers hours and rest time.

Should we see big delays at the ports then we may have an issue with insufficient drivers hours and weekly rest issues. I can't see it being catastrophic though. It will add time to logistics networks and cost to operators but nothing will stop.
I would imagine YellowHammer is putting in place contingency for these delays to time sensitive logistics.
Can't see it being an issue for than a few weeks at most and most likely not at all.
Worst case is that there is a logjam at the ports that pauses normal operation in which case military logistics assistance would probably be beneficial in getting everything moving again.

Most operators have created their own contingency planning where necessary, I would argue that most medium to large haulage operators could teach the Army a thing or two about logistics (yes, really), especially in the commercial world of delivery networks and timed operation.

As an aside to that, I currently employ an RLC Reservist (and former regular) as a lorry driver, I think he's finding the contrast between military and commercial worlds interesting!
 
To protect MPs from all the threats they're getting. On the news yesertday on some of the commerical radio stations, one MPs husband was told by a senior police officer that if his wife was in the MPs position he'd have taken her away and hidden her. All part of the May/Tusk/Barnier Project Fear to get us to accept the 'never really leave' treaty.

What does interst me is that the EU don't want us to get to vote in the next round of EU elections; I think they're a bit worried about the UKIP backlash to EU Parliament.
That was Soubry.
Make of that what you will: especially the 'hide her away' bit.
Maybe the copper had a wicked sense of humour and she was too thick to spot the dripping sarcasm.
 
Wrong. europe will inevitably bring down the next conservative leader as well.

The ERG need to break off and join UKIP. They don't reflect traditional conservative values, represent hedge funds and are anti-business. They have nothing to offer middle England
That is unadulterated nonsense.

Nearly the entire Libertarian element of the Tory Party are in the ERG. Conservatism is essentially classical liberalism based on respect for individual rights, protected by law and with a limited role for the state - it's why the EU has been such a problem for the Conservatives for so long.

As for hedge funds and business, they're well represented on both sides of the argument, albeit the corporatist dinosaurs in the CBI want to Remain, largely because the chance to compete globally might reveal the shortcomings of their senior management.

If you really are interested in this stuff, why don't you read a decent book on political philosophy rather than posting vehemently with such obvious knowledge gaps?
 
That was Soubry.
Make of that what you will: especially the 'hide her away' bit.
Maybe the copper had a wicked sense of humour and she was too thick to spot the dripping sarcasm.
Well she and the news reader were touting it as part of the evils of Brexit.
 
Au contrair my friend the EU parliament is the vital pretence of democracy to gull the plebians into accepting the rule of the Commission. To fulfill this role it has to vote the way the Commission wants, so a tranche of UKIPers determined to just cause trouble would indeed cause trouble.
It is not just the UKIPers, it is also the others, from the other countries, when they get together with them that they are bricking it over.
 
Just been watching the Flint/Grieve interview on LBC and decided to check out Grieve. It makes interesting reading


Dominic Grieve generally voted against more EU integration
TheyWorkForYou has automatically calculated this MP’s stance based on all of their votes on the topic. You can browse the source data on PublicWhip.org.uk.

Key votes about more EU integration:
  • On 13 Feb 2019:Dominic Grieve voted to make European Union laws regulating converting loans into "securities" for sale to investors effective and enforceable in the United Kingdom. Show vote
  • On 11 Feb 2019:Dominic Grieve voted to allow the Government to update UK law to correspond with EU financial services laws currently making their way through the European legislative process. Show vote
  • On 30 Jan 2019:Dominic Grieve voted to revoke arrangements for cross-border action to tackle infringements of various EU consumer laws. Show vote
  • On 30 Jan 2019:Dominic Grieve voted yes on Draft Maritime Transport Access to Trade and Cabotage (Revocation) (EU Exit) Regulations 2019 Show vote
  • On 29 Jan 2019:Dominic Grieve voted voted not to seek to delay the United Kingdom's withdrawal from the European Union; not to rule out leaving without a withdrawal agreement; and against Scotland remaining in the European Union. Show vote
  • On 28 Jan 2019:Dominic Grieve voted to confirm the rights of Irish citizens to enter and remain in the UK without permission but to otherwise make European Union, European Economic Area and Swiss nationals, and their family members, subject to UK immigration controls. Show vote
  • On 16 Jan 2019:Dominic Grieve voted to maintain and improve coordination and cooperation between EU member states in the field of policing and justice, particularly in relation to serious organised crime. Show vote
  • On 19 Dec 2018:Dominic Grieve voted yes on Markets in Financial Instruments (Amendment) (EU Exit) Regulations 2018 Show vote
  • On 19 Dec 2018:Dominic Grieve voted to amend the law on accounts and reports from corporate bodies to remove the involvement of the European Union and to remove preferential treatment of bodies from the European Economic Area. Show vote
  • On 11 Sep 2018:Dominic Grieve voted against making the continued participation of the UK in the European Arrest Warrant a negotiating objective during negotiations over the withdrawal of the UK from the EU. Show vote
  • On 18 Jul 2018:Dominic Grieve voted for greater partnership and cooperation between European Union members, the European Union, the European Atomic Energy Community, and the Republic of Armenia. Show vote

  • On 13 Jun 2018:Dominic Grieve voted to make the UK's withdrawal from the EU conditional on seeking, as an objective for the UK's negotiation of the withdrawal agreement, an international agreement which enables the UK to continue to participate in the European Economic Area. Show vote

  • On 16 Jan 2018:Dominic Grieve voted against retaining a EU "Charter of Fundamental Rights" as part of UK law following the UK's withdrawal from the European Union. Show vote

  • On 14 Nov 2017:Dominic Grieve voted against requiring the consent of the Scottish Parliament, the National Assembly for Wales and the Northern Ireland Assembly for the United Kingdom to leave the European Union. Show vote
  • On 14 Nov 2017:Dominic Grieve voted to end the supremacy of EU law in domestic law and to remove the mechanism which enables the flow of new EU law into UK law. Show vote
  • On 14 Nov 2017:Dominic Grieve voted not to require courts or tribunals to have regard to anything done on or after exit day by the European Court, another EU entity or the EU. Show vote
  • On 11 Sep 2017:Dominic Grieve voted to end the supremacy of EU law in UK law; to convert EU law into domestic law on the UK's exit from the European Union and to give ministers the power to correct deficiencies in retained EU law. Show vote
  • On 11 Sep 2017:Dominic Grieve voted to end the supremacy of EU law in UK law; to convert EU law into domestic law on the UK's exit from the European Union and to give ministers the power to correct deficiencies in retained EU law. Show vote
  • On 19 Apr 2017:Dominic Grieve voted to approve the Government's assessment of the UK's medium term economic and budgetary position for submission to the European Commission. Show vote
  • On 13 Mar 2017:Dominic Grieve voted against guaranteeing EU derived rights, and the potential to acquire residency rights, for EU and EEA citizens legally resident in the UK. Show vote
  • On 8 Feb 2017:Dominic Grieve voted against requiring the Prime Minister to give a series of undertakings before giving notification of the United Kingdom's intention to leave the European Union. Show vote
  • On 8 Feb 2017:Dominic Grieve voted to empower the Prime Minister to give notification of the United Kingdom's intention to leave the European Union. Show vote
  • On 8 Feb 2017:Dominic Grieve voted against seeking to protect the residence rights of citizens of the European Union and their family members who were lawfully resident in the United Kingdom on 23 June 2016. Show vote
  • But
  • On 27 Jan 2014:Dominic Grieve voted not to limit the EU's "Europe for Citizens" programme to education about, and reflection on, the Holocaust, armed conflicts and totalitarian regimes in Europe’s history and against explicitly forbidding the programme from promoting European citizenship, integration or institutions. Show vote

  • On 14 Jul 2010:Dominic Grieve voted to establish the European Union External Action Service. Show vote
  • On 17 Mar 2009:Dominic Grieve was absent for a vote on Data Retention (EC Directive) Regulations 2009 — Retention of Communications Data by Communications Providers Show vote
  • On 11 Mar 2009:Dominic Grieve was absent for a vote on Deferred Divisions — second strategic energy review and european energy networks Show vote
  • On 10 Mar 2009:Dominic Grieve voted yes on Motion to reject the European Working Time Directive — rejected Show vote
  • On 11 Mar 2008:Dominic Grieve voted no on Lisbon Treaty — Third Reading Show vote
  • On 5 Mar 2008:Dominic Grieve voted to seek to enable a referendum on the UK's membership of the European Union. Show vote
  • On 5 Mar 2008:Dominic Grieve voted no on Lisbon Treaty — Clause on 'Commencement' of the Bill should remain in the Bill Show vote
  • On 5 Mar 2008:Dominic Grieve was absent for a vote on Lisbon Treaty — The Treaty does not affect the supremacy of the UK parliament — rejected Show vote
  • On 4 Mar 2008:Dominic Grieve voted yes on Lisbon Treaty — Parliamentary control of decisions made at the European Union level — rejected Show vote
  • On 4 Mar 2008:Dominic Grieve voted no on Lisbon Treaty — Clause on 'parliamentary control of decisions' to remain in the Bill Show vote
  • On 3 Mar 2008:Dominic Grieve was absent for a vote on Lisbon Treaty — Accept the changes of terminology in the Lisbon Treaty Show vote
  • On 3 Mar 2008:Dominic Grieve was absent for a vote on Lisbon Treaty — Increase of powers of European Parliament Show vote
  • On 27 Feb 2008:Dominic Grieve voted yes on Lisbon Treaty — Disapproves of the government's policy towards the Lisbon Treaty with regards to climate change — rejected Show vote
  • On 27 Feb 2008:Dominic Grieve voted no on Lisbon Treaty — Approves of the government's policy towards the Lisbon Treaty with regards to climate change Show vote
  • On 27 Feb 2008:Dominic Grieve voted no on Lisbon Treaty — Enshrine the Lisbon Treaty into UK law Show vote
  • On 26 Feb 2008:Dominic Grieve voted yes on Lisbon Treaty — Disapproves of the government's policy towards the Lisbon Treaty with regards to the European Union's institutions — rejected Show vote
  • On 26 Feb 2008:Dominic Grieve voted no on Lisbon Treaty — Approves of the government's policy towards the Lisbon Treaty with regards to the European Union's institutions Show vote
  • On 26 Feb 2008:Dominic Grieve voted yes on Lisbon Treaty — Exclude the European Union from regulating the conservation of marine biological resources — rejected Show vote
  • On 25 Feb 2008:Dominic Grieve voted yes on Lisbon Treaty — Disapproves of the government's policy towards the Lisbon Treaty with regards to international development — rejected Show vote
  • On 25 Feb 2008:Dominic Grieve voted no on Lisbon Treaty — Approves of the government's policy towards the Lisbon Treaty with regards to international development Show vote
  • On 20 Feb 2008:Dominic Grieve voted yes on Lisbon Treaty — Disapproves of the government's policy towards the Lisbon Treaty with regards to foreign affairs — rejected Show vote
  • On 20 Feb 2008:Dominic Grieve voted no on Lisbon Treaty — Approves of the government's policy towards the Lisbon Treaty with regards to foreign affairs Show vote
  • On 20 Feb 2008:Dominic Grieve voted yes on Lisbon Treaty — Remove foreign policy role of the President of the European Council — rejected Show vote
  • On 6 Feb 2008:Dominic Grieve voted yes on Lisbon Treaty — Disapproves of the government's policy towards the Lisbon Treaty with regards to the single market — rejected Show vote
  • On 6 Feb 2008:Dominic Grieve voted no on Lisbon Treaty — Approves of the government's policy towards the Lisbon Treaty with regards to the single market Show vote
  • On 6 Feb 2008:Dominic Grieve voted yes on Lisbon Treaty — Prevent competition rules from becoming an exclusive policy area of the European Union — rejected Show vote
  • On 5 Feb 2008:Dominic Grieve voted yes on Lisbon Treaty — Disapproves of the government's policy towards the Lisbon Treaty with regards to human rights — rejected Show vote
  • On 5 Feb 2008:Dominic Grieve voted no on Lisbon Treaty — Approves of the government's policy towards the Lisbon Treaty with regards to human rights Show vote
  • On 5 Feb 2008:Dominic Grieve was absent for a vote on Lisbon Treaty — Exclude human rights from the policy area of the European Union — rejected Show vote
  • On 30 Jan 2008:Dominic Grieve voted yes on Lisbon Treaty — Disapproves of the government's policy towards the Lisbon Treaty in relation to energy — rejected Show vote
  • On 30 Jan 2008:Dominic Grieve voted no on Lisbon Treaty — Approves of the government's policy towards the Lisbon Treaty in relation to energy Show vote
Oh yes, Just look.
  • On 30 Jan 2008:Dominic Grieve voted yes on Lisbon Treaty — Exclude energy from being a shared policy area in the European Union — rejected Show vote
  • On 29 Jan 2008:Dominic Grieve voted yes on Lisbon Treaty — Disapproves of the government's policy towards the Lisbon Treaty in terms of justice and home affairs — rejected Show vote
  • On 29 Jan 2008:Dominic Grieve voted yes on Lisbon Treaty — Exclude the European Court of Justice's regulations on police and justice matters — rejected Show vote
  • On 29 Jan 2008:Dominic Grieve voted yes on Lisbon Treaty — Exclude the European Union's measures on judicial cooperation in criminal matters — rejected Show vote
  • On 28 Jan 2008:Dominic Grieve voted yes on Lisbon Treaty — Amendment to proposed Commons timetable for debate — rejected Show vote
  • On 28 Jan 2008:Dominic Grieve voted no on Lisbon Treaty — Commons timetable for debate Show vote
  • On 21 Jan 2008:Dominic Grieve voted no on Lisbon Treaty — Second Reading Show vote
  • On 12 Dec 2007:Dominic Grieve voted no on European Community Documents — Funding of European political parties Show vote
  • On 19 Nov 2007:Dominic Grieve voted no on European Communities (Finance) Bill — Second Reading

IN SHORT, the man's a numbnut. There's a lot more than that but you get the gist
 
That is unadulterated nonsense.

Nearly the entire Libertarian element of the Tory Party are in the ERG. Conservatism is essentially classical liberalism based on respect for individual rights, protected by law and with a limited role for the state - it's why the EU has been such a problem for the Conservatives for so long.

As for hedge funds and business, they're well represented on both sides of the argument, albeit the corporatist dinosaurs in the CBI want to Remain, largely because the chance to compete globally might reveal the shortcomings of their senior management.

If you really are interested in this stuff, why don't you read a decent book on political philosophy rather than posting vehemently with such obvious knowledge gaps?
Indeed, my understanding is that the corporatism as represented by the CBI is closer to the protectivist Franco-German business model than their sharp-clawed US equivalents.
 

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