Tell the Big Lie and tell it often.Corbyn is like a stuck record this morning out on the Campaign trail:
'The NHS is not up for sale!
Tell the Big Lie and tell it often.Corbyn is like a stuck record this morning out on the Campaign trail:
'The NHS is not up for sale!
Well really. The point is that Parliament have to decide how to leave, Remain is not an option for what passes as the EU. A coherent plan for Brexit!-when was there anything coherent about anything political? The EU is barely coherent in concept and I've still to be convinced that isn't Just France playing it's own version of Europe takeover. The point isn't about whether we "truly leave." That's a matter for the electorate after we have "Left" if we are persuaded that Parliament has complied with what the box says. For that pillock Campbell to be on GMB this morning and talk about the concept of democracy is highly Laughable. Besides no coherent plan survives contact with the enemy.There was no coherent plan for Brexit.
Nah, he's snuck back. They actually give him some credence.Campbell? Hasn’t the lie master been banished into political oblivion?
Ffs even I’ve got a better reputation than himNah, he's snuck back. They actually give him some credence.
You might want to reconsider that opinion.Ffs even I’ve got a better reputation than him
And it took them two years of knowing the plan, debating the plan, being briefed on the progress of the negotiations, and - in the case of Davis - leading the negotiations.Pretty sure that both Davis & Johnson resigned over May's Surrender Act.
And the horse you rode in on!You might want to reconsider that opinion.
That would be the "sad remainers" of the ERG who prevented the original WA from being voted into law? Remember, it JRM hadn't opposed it, we'd be out of the EU by now.Had these sad Remainers actually backed the result the occupant of No 10 would have been able...
You really are one mixed up kid. You don't really know what you want so you scweem and scweem for Remain so you can stay under your comfort blanket.That would be the "sad remainers" of the ERG who prevented the original WA from being voted into law? Remember, it JRM hadn't opposed it, we'd be out of the EU by now.
I like pointing this out, because it causes much furious back-pedalling. Obviously, that WA wasn't Brexit at all, and was righteously prevented by the Forces of Light!...
...while the bravely-renegotiated "sell out the DUP" WA was a real Brexit, brave and true, defeated only by a traitorous few...
I'll quote you, in this thread:...so you can stay under your comfort blanket.
You do realise that the WA is just that, a withdrawal document which gets us out of the EU. The Political Declaration is the main and legally binding document. Forbye all that, this is just action to set us up for the next stage of negotiations, but as a country not cow-towing to Brussels.I'll quote you, in this thread:
"May's plan - the Withdrawal Agreement - does not really withdraw us from the EU!"
"Now, assuming the statement from Boris quoted by Peston is accurate, then the EU seem to have given some fairly major concessions. Makes one wonder why this was not done two years ago instead of all the trouble."
There is little difference between the two Withdrawal Agreements, other than an injection of sanity over the NI border issue. As for "why not", the answer is "because PMTM needed to keep the DUP happy, if she was to secure a Parliamentary majority".
You've got that arrse about face. The WA is legally binding once passed. The PD is merely a wish-list for the next 5 years (or more) of negotiations and not legally binding.You do realise that the WA is just that, a withdrawal document which gets us out of the EU. The Political Declaration is the main and legally binding document. Forbye all that, this is just action to set us up for the next stage of negotiations, but as a country not cow-towing to Brussels.
On top of all this we have a new regime in Brussels - hopefully the same government on this side though.
I also get the feeling that you would be arguing the WA regardless of what it says purely because it gets us out of the EU. Respect the result - my arrse!
Don't even go there...….
OK, mea culpa and did that one in haste after my afternoon napYou've got that arrse about face. The WA is legally binding once passed. The PD is merely a wish-list for the next 5 years (or more) of negotiations and not legally binding.
Of course it isn't it's the desired political linkage with the EU that some still want. If we get it then Parliament has passed it into law, if on the other hand it's scuppered-it's not. But it is not essential for the trade agreement except in the minds of those slavishly adhering to A 50.That would be the "sad remainers" of the ERG who prevented the original WA from being voted into law? Remember, it JRM hadn't opposed it, we'd be out of the EU by now.
I like pointing this out, because it causes much furious back-pedalling. Obviously, that WA wasn't Brexit at all, and was righteously prevented by the Forces of Light!...
...while the bravely-renegotiated "sell out the DUP" WA was a real Brexit, brave and true, defeated only by a traitorous few...
The 11 month transitional period is nowhere near long enough.OK, mea culpa and did that one in haste after my afternoon napBut even swapping them about THAT still leaves us at the start of the real negotiations to get the final trade deal, or not. In the meantime we have the transitional period, which is becoming shorter and no doubt the EU will start to try and open up when negotiations start on FTA. The WA and PD are the building blocks for the FTA, none of which can be set in motion until we leave the EU.
Why not? Most of the subjects have been discussed already, to the nth degree. A period on WTO might just be enough to concentrate EU minds.The 11 month transitional period is nowhere near long enough.
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