BoJo can't call for a V of NC - only the leader of the opposition (Magic Grandpa) can do that. And with Labour polling at 22% - 23%, there is no way he is doing that. The only other way BoJo can get a GE is by a 2/3 vote of MP's and the opposition parties are also denying him that.We'll soon see if we leave the EU by the 31st but if we dont I want BoJo to imediately raise a VoNC in his own government - if the Remainers can act childishly then so should the other side. If Corbyn wont call one then the Tories should as they will have absolutely nothing to lose because as a government they cannot get a single thing through and the remainiacs are just getting ever more emboldened to put in more and more stupid amdts. The only possible bright spot in all of this is that Bercow is supposed to leave on the 31st - mind you we have to take that with a pinch of salt because he thinks he is the remain messiah on a 'mission from god'
he needs to get his finger out. The City of London is grinding to a halt. It’s not being helped by the US/China trade war, but things are slowing down which is not good. IPOs on the AIM market down 87% on the same period for last year. The indecision is going to have an impact. Remains will blame brexit, whereas it’s entirely the fault of the delay tactics they have employed.Except the Remain camp don't want a GE, because Boris is ahead in the polls. And in trying to avoid a GE, they are ever more blatantly trying to obstruct Brexit, which makes it even more likely that BoJo can win a GE.
Motivation is also a strong factor in GE's - I suspect Leave voters will be strongly motivated to put an 'X' in the Tory box, while Labour Brexit supporters may well opt to stay at home in silent protest at the way Labour has obstructed Brexit.
I suspect BoJo is happy running the clock down and letting Remain p!ss of ever larger swathes of voters.
Ah, you neglected to read the fine print.By definition that wasn’t possible since trade was suspended.
Not that it's a broad survey group but Plantymajor just started at a College infamous for left wing lunacy.Of course they don't. They're above all of us, are secretly, well aware of how the silent majority thinks.... Anyone who has ever done canvassing for a political party, has talked to that majority and found surprising unanimity on a raft of issues. We are far more united than people credit, but political parties can't afford, or don't want policies which align with the public will as that is dangerous for any consensus.
I would bet my house that of the remain half of the country, at least a third or more of those voters want Brexit, but either out of fear or a desire to make what is deemed the right choice, were driven into voting remain.
I know you believe you're being reasonable but your questions don't reflect political realities and how things get done. You seem to be working on the assumption that there is an unquestionable absolute somewhere if we only torture the data sufficiently when, in reality, the best you can hope for is a very wide range which will vary hugely based on which assumptions, values and prejudices you accept and plug into your model.OK. Could you please clarify a couple of points for me?
- Where is the list of trade deals, and their prospective values, that are intended to replace our current EU trading relationships?
- How much better off will we be in nett terms as a result of Brexit?
- What timescales are such gains projected to occur over?
- Where are the figures that support theses estimates of our post-Brexit trade flow?
- What assumptions were made in their development?
- Are these plans supported by independent peer review?
That does make me wonder why they don't try to repeal the FTPA - easier than getting 2/3rds of the vote.BoJo can't call for a V of NC - only the leader of the opposition (Magic Grandpa) can do that. And with Labour polling at 22% - 23%, there is no way he is doing that. The only other way BoJo can get a GE is by a 2/3 vote of MP's and the opposition parties are also denying him that.
But BoJo will call for a GE again shortly - if only to flag up that the opposition parties are scared of one.
The Fixed Term Parliaments Act is a badly drafted piece of sh!te.
From both Brexiteers and from Remaineers I'd venture. Probably fair to say that the small handful of trolls and rabids (not mutually exclusive) have made the thread utterly meaningless and thus, pointless beyond mild amusement.There is a lot of wailing and gnashing of teeth from some of the brexiteers on here though.
Why should I do that when I have a veritable plethora of Brexperts at hand here on ARRSE?Submit an FOI request.
All will be revealed.
Ironically, our best chance of future accommodation is, I believe, out with a Deal. Having spared the EU the massive problem of a sudden, catastrophic drop in funds, they should be more amenable to working on a realistic FTA. But, it could enable (as LJ noted in one of his posts last night) Germany and France to continue for a few more years with their Federalist plans.A deal is an absolutely necessity, but we still have to work within the system whilst we still belong to it. This deal is the best the EU is going to give us, now.... Future relationships is where we could squeeze some additional concessions, but we can't do that, when were out of leverage.
Care to point them out ? The only ( so called ) expert I have experienced on the thread is the Dr, Doctor, Dr, MMA & Bar.Why should I do that when I have a veritable plethora of Brexperts at hand here on ARRSE?
Do I really ? That issue is yours, not mine.Can you not just give me a link or two, or scan of the summary of the information you got from your FOI request (given that you seem to be inferring that's how most Brexiteers must have got it)?
An FOI request will provide you with all the info that you require. You are unlikely to find what you are looking for on ARRSE.When I've made arguments on this thread, for or against a point, I am generally courteous enough to provide data that supports my position, either directly or by linking. Is it really too much to ask for a similar consideration to be granted to my requests?
The political consensus intentionally divides people, via faux political parties and arguments. They all agree with each other on pretty much everything and the lack of diversity in the body politic, makes it easier to run things, but also deeply damaging to democracy and has the effect of hollowing it out.Not that it's a broad survey group but Plantymajor just started at a College infamous for left wing lunacy.
A friend trolled a group chat as 'Tarquin the Tory' and was generally told 'we don't tolerate them here'.
However... of the Brits within the new cohort of friends. None sing Corbyn, or the lefts praises. One has two family members standing for TBP. Amongst the wider group of 6th form College mates, a noticeable amount are pro Brexit - also noticeably, they include many BAME.
I've noticed similar within Turning Point UK.
An interesting turn for identity politics with youth and BAME.
The opposition would vote it down. If the FTPA is repealed, BoJo can call a GE. Good odds he'd win it, with Labour losing large swathes of seats in the process. Then BoJo could Brexit on his chosen terms.That does make me wonder why they don't try to repeal the FTPA - easier than getting 2/3rds of the vote.