Have a like for your Dickensianesque extended metaphor.Fair enough. Unfortunately, it will probably be the case that we'll still be rule-takers if we want to trade with lots of other places (hence, the current brouhaha with our Guinness-drinking elements)
What, you believed a politician? And they let you vote?
I chose to interpret that as "I know this old codger who's 99 years old and looking a bit frail. I'm guessing he won't be around for a second referendum, should one be advantageous to me or my party"
The problem, from my point of view, is that there is an outside chance it might not be able to be undone, and, if it can, we'll be significantly worse off than if we stayed.
Meanwhile, we're hoping that our politicians can fix the rudder, patch the canvas (not to mention deal with a rather large mutiny and calls for the bow to turn around and head back to Port Brussels) and find us favourable winds to sail into the future. Can't say I'm that optimistic and I am more concerned for my children's' futures being out than being in (And so are they, and my eldest will be eligible to vote in any putative future referendum and General Election. Number 2 can vote in Scottish elections and polls. Number 3 is too young to vote but far more pragmatic - he's simply refining his very cunning plan for total world domination)
Showing your colours. Do you honestly think he would have refused a motion if it had been presented by one of his favoured Remain MPs? He would have found some ‘precedent’ to allow it no doubt. The sooner he goes the better for Parliament - he is not impartial and hasn’t been for some time.Nope.
Adhering to Parliamentary precedent.
we're all learning as we go along.Thanks for clarifying, but to be honest, I don’t know my arse from my elbow when it comes to where we are with the current shenanigans!
I think he would.Showing your colours. Do you honestly think he would have refused a motion if it had been presented by one of his favoured Remain MPs? He would have found some ‘precedent’ to allow it no doubt. The sooner he goes the better for Parliament - he is not impartial and hasn’t been for some time.
You don't say?Ensuring tbe process is scrutinised and not rushed.
Hurried law is bad law.
UK referenda are non-binding. Them's the rules (unless the legislation says otherwise, viz the AV referendum). I struggle to understand why you don't know that fact.we're all learning as we go along.
Bercow stated the last WA could not be brought without significant changes as that one had been voted on twice in the same parliament. He allowed two votes and subsequently a third. This one has has been been scuppered by an amendment, but not voted upon as Parliament has reserved it's vote. That means according to Bercow It must get two goes as it is materially different and is not in the same session of parliament. But my main gripe against Bercow is he is allowing the opposition- now the remainers to mask their inherent opposition to leaving as issues with the agreement. He has not demanded that if the Opposition wish to revoke A 50 they should try to do so separately because they would lose that.
It follows that those who Like BL who support the view that parliament should consider the referendum non binding despite their actions in supporting the issuance of A 50 should demand the resignation of those MPs who have reneged on their party promises. IMHO the General election of 2017 still stands-that elected the Government and parliament tasked with the oversight, not the impediment of it. That is outside their remit.
However Parliament also voted through the nonsense that is Lisbon and A 50 and they will have to live with it. Perhaps a vote should be held on sequestration of assets by those MPs opposing to reimburse assets wasted. That should concentrate minds wonderfully- they're all rich enough
This one has been done to death. It was clearly stated that the results would be respected. Not only that but we had a GE where the Labour and Tory parties both stood on manifestos that stated they would honour the results. We also had a parliamentary vote on it which was passed.The referendum was advisory, not binding.
It is that simple.
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