Brexit - The Final

And Jezza proposes himself as PM.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2019/08/14/jeremy-corbyn-writes-mps-say-make-pm-stop-no-deal-brexit-cross/


I doubt BoJo can believe his luck - he's setting himself up for a "people v parliament" GE and Jezza obligingly lines up on the 'parliament' side. I presume Magic Grandpa is getting political advice from Baldrick.

Wordsmith
What Jezza the Red means by 'time limited' is you can prise him out of power when hell freezes over.

Magic Grandpa offering himself up as PM should really alarm any reasonable politician, even the not so reasonable ones like ardent remainers should be worried. Even if a no deal Brexit doesn't go swimmingly an anti-British, Jew-hating, anti-monarchist, terrorist-loving, dirty communist will send this country back to the dark ages and UK PLC will be far worse off than any badly delivered Brexit could do to the UK.
 

Wordsmith

LE
Book Reviewer
I cannot see a temporary Corbyn premiership being acceptable to Tory Remainer MPs, with the exceptions of Ken Clarke and Dominic Grieve. I think that even Philip Hammond would baulk at that...
So Magic Grandpa slams in his vote of no confidence in the first week after parliament resumes. As Mrs Beaton used to say - "first catch your hare". I can see several obstacles to Jezza winning his V of NC.
  1. Many Remain supporting Tory MP's are going to baulk at voting down the government for two reasons:
    1. They won't want to see Jezza in No 10.​
    2. BoJo will withdraw the whip - ending their careers as Tory MP's​
  2. The Tiggers may abstain - bringing down the government means they lose their seats in 7 weeks in the resulting GE.
  3. Some Brexit supporting Labour MP's (who are going to retire soon anyway) may defy the Labour whip to ensure Brexit. Kate Hoey, Frank Fields and Dennis Skinner are prime examples.
I think it's far from certain Jezza can win a vote of no confidence - and even if he does, he than has to command a majority in the H of C to extend Article 50. If he does (very unlikely) and goes for a GE, he's given BoJo the perfect battleground for a 'people a parliament' GE.

If Magic Grandpa can't command a majority, BoJo advises Brenda to set the GE date for the first Thursday in November and we're out of the EU.

BoJo has a short and long term strategy that he's following. Magic Grandpa is out of his depth.

Wordsmith
 
What Jezza the Red means by 'time limited' is you can prise him out of power when hell freezes over.

Magic Grandpa offering himself up as PM should really alarm any reasonable politician, even the not so reasonable ones like ardent remainers should be worried. Even if a no deal Brexit doesn't go swimmingly an anti-British, Jew-hating, anti-monarchist, terrorist-loving, dirty communist will send this country back to the dark ages and UK PLC will be far worse off than any badly delivered Brexit could do to the UK.
It won’t happen. Although it wouldn’t be out of place with the current pantomime.
 
Oh dear....

Jo Swinson, the leader of the Lib Dems, immediately dismissed the idea that Corbyn could be a caretaker prime minister, saying: “Jeremy Corbyn is not the person who is going to be able to build an even temporary majority in the House of Commons for this task – I would expect there are people in his own party and indeed the necessary Conservative backbenchers who would be unwilling to support him. It is a nonsense.”
 
Oh dear....

Jo Swinson, the leader of the Lib Dems, immediately dismissed the idea that Corbyn could be a caretaker prime minister, saying: “Jeremy Corbyn is not the person who is going to be able to build an even temporary majority in the House of Commons for this task – I would expect there are people in his own party and indeed the necessary Conservative backbenchers who would be unwilling to support him. It is a nonsense.”
Even a broken brain is right every now & then...
 
If Johnson and Cummings get their way, the Tories will leave the EU in a meaningful manner, win a general election with a workable majority, destroy Corbyn, split the Left, facilitate Farage’s retirement from active politics, purge the Tory party of its hardcore Remainers and embark on a radical remodelling of Britain’s economy, society and political system.

This is an astonishingly ambitious, almost insane agenda, but the alternative is socialist calamity. Bercow, Hammond, Grieve and the others will get their just deserts if they stand in Boris Johnson’s way.

 
Hope for the future.... Brexit will be blocked is all that matters. Even a Labour government is a price worth paying....lesser of two evils probably.
 
If Johnson and Cummings get their way, the Tories will leave the EU in a meaningful manner, win a general election with a workable majority, destroy Corbyn, split the Left, facilitate Farage’s retirement from active politics, purge the Tory party of its hardcore Remainers and embark on a radical remodelling of Britain’s economy, society and political system.

This is an astonishingly ambitious, almost insane agenda, but the alternative is socialist calamity. Bercow, Hammond, Grieve and the others will get their just deserts if they stand in Boris Johnson’s way.

The only thing missing from that is a bank holiday on the 1st of November.
 

Lifeboat21

Old-Salt
You're quite correct, September is going to be interesting. At least the first week will be as the remainers go turbo-spastic in trying to stop Brexit before they run out of time.

To use your well worn phrase. I may have said this before, several times in fact, if parliament doesn't call and win a vote of no confidence in the government within the first 6 or 7 days after parliament returns from recess they can forget it. If Boris loses a vote of NC there are 2 weeks in which to form a government that has the confidence of the house. If it doesn't he calls a general election. If he calls a GE for the 31st October, which is a Thursday and the traditional day on which general elections are held, parliament must be dissolved 25 working days beforehand. 25 days before the 31st is the 26th September. Two working week before that in which he has time to form a government that has the confidence of the house means that the vote of NC must take place before 12th September otherwise we will have legally left the EU and the treaties will cease to apply. (Note: a GE on the 31st October the polls close at 22:00 and the results don't come in until the early hours of the 1st Nov. We'd have left the EU by then). Even if by some chance parliament manages to propose, discuss, vote and win a vote of no confidence on the very day parliament returns from recess it doesn't change the arithmetic because Boris still gets to choose when to call the election. It's his prerogative and you can bet it won't happen before 31st October.

You're right about TM's can kicking. We are where we are due to her intransigence and refusal to recognise that the deal she had cooked up was a crock of shit and was never going to get past parliament. She kept on telling us that no deal was better than a bad deal but only offered up a terrible deal. So bad was it that even the majority remainer parliament refused it. Three times. The irony is that had the WA been voted for we'd be handcuffed to the EU which is what the remainers want. They are as responsible for getting the can kicked down the road as May is and are half the reason we will most likely leave the EU without a deal.

Oh, I'm not so blinkered. Parliament asked the plebs what they wanted. The plebs told the reps and the reps have ever since tried to ignore it. The plebiscite was offered and must be honoured. That is what democracy is all about.
Like Brotherton Lad says, it will be an interesting September. But I fully agree with your assessment.

The Remainists in this country are about to go in to turbo meltdown and may well start to do things to undermine the country.

I confidently expect YouTube to be become packed with whiny, hysterics prattling on about the European Union. I've even bought a new hard drive for the products. and screen shots of my remainst friends social media rantings.

It's going to be a fantastic September. Just not for the same reasons that the Remainists things.

I'm almost expecting a 'night of the long knives' as Boris and his faction cement their power in the party and wider house. Maybe a few 'whip removals' of the likely worst offenders on the 2nd Sept will focus the minds of the rest.
 

Lifeboat21

Old-Salt
The EU is also about to drive the UK into the arms of the US.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2019/08/14/europe-risks-losing-uk-americans-half-century-unless-changes/


We can either join a bigger trade bloc than the EU with no pretensions to becoming a superstate, or we can stay loosely aligned with an EU where:


We simply won't have the political problems with a North American trade bloc that we have with the EU. and once we've binned EU regulations - and made it near impossible to rejoin - that's it: we'll be entwined with the US and never likely to rejoin the EU.

That simple fact seems to have escaped the EU, which still harbours illusions that the UK can be 'punished' back into line. "Whom the gods wish to destroy..."

Wordsmith
I believe that the European Union suffer from 'blue tinted glasses' in that respect.

They literally cannot fathom a country not wanting to be a member. Let alone leaving.

This is what happens when any and all criticism of the European Union is considered blasphemy. Can you really imagine a young up and coming Eurocrat saying anything other than the party line? He might as well quit and leave.
 

Lifeboat21

Old-Salt
And Jezza proposes himself as PM.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2019/08/14/jeremy-corbyn-writes-mps-say-make-pm-stop-no-deal-brexit-cross/


I doubt BoJo can believe his luck - he's setting himself up for a "people v parliament" GE and Jezza obligingly lines up on the 'parliament' side. I presume Magic Grandpa is getting political advice from Baldrick.

Wordsmith
Straight out of the communist play book.

We're going to take complete control of the country by undemocratic means but only for a short while, whilst we do good things.

like stop Brexit.
put everyone we don't like in to camps.
reeducate children
cease money from people we don't like the look of.
kill a few million people.

John McDonald must have been reading his 'little red book of pogroms' again.
 

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