Brexit Schadenfreude; "I didn't realise THAT would happen when I voted Leave..."

Which will not happen. As stated often enough in the past, many will go under.
Land may change hands but it will still be farmed , as I mentioned before the supermarkets are heavily involved in crop production so potentially more profits and control for them.
 
If several million immigrants leave the UK there will be less need for new houses.
Yep, and then young people might be able to get on the housing ladder without needing to rob a bank first. Also the price of houses is plain stupid - it would be a good thing if the prices dropped and more people could afford to buy one. Also as the councils flogged a vast percentage of their housing stock - but never replaced them, maybe some of these houses could house our own homeless people.
 
Yep, and then young people might be able to get on the housing ladder without needing to rob a bank first. Also the price of houses is plain stupid - it would be a good thing if the prices dropped and more people could afford to buy one. Also as the councils flogged a vast percentage of their housing stock - but never replaced them, maybe some of these houses could house our own homeless people.
The proposed new tenancy laws may make it less attractive to be a landlord so that may cause a drop in property prices.
 
No, I'm saying one of you frustrated Brexit types took it out on the French... Now renamed to NotaFlambe as the fires are doused.
Well all I can say is the Builders boss will be in no hat no belt and certainly no tea for that one. I thought builders were supposed to know that excess rubbish in confined spaces was a no no. Kings Cross etc, and it'll be named NotreFeu from now on. Ironically it's taken a fire to flush out the French French tax dodgers
 
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The economic damnation, the political humiliation, the sight of Ireland having more power than the UK, the social division..... Great stuff this Brexit.
Blame the bunch of remain pricks in government who have procrastinated for the last two years, before waking up at the 11th hour like a schoolkid late for an exam. They have had chance after chance to get this right and PMTM has made the wrong decision at every turn.
 
The proposed new tenancy laws may make it less attractive to be a landlord so that may cause a drop in property prices.
Which will perversely breed a whole new raft of whingers moaning about negative equity.
 
Look at through the other end of the telescope. Since LIthuania joined the EU they have experienced serious population with many people migrating to wealthier EU countries to better their lives.
In fact over the last 20 years their population has reduced by between 20%-25% .

That's not across the demographic as a whole, the decline is mostly the young, fit, dynamic and well educated - i,e their future entrepreneurs and skills base.

It now represents a serious threat to Lithuania's socio-economic well being and the Government is offering incentives for people to return and in some cases threatening to revoke their citizenship.

Free movement is great for consumers and the middle-classes of wealthy countries because they can get their food and services produced at cheaper prices, but a disaster for the donor countries because it drains them of human capital.
I think that's the least of Lithuania's problems, with Russia menacing Estonia. I suppose that with very few fighting-age people, it's going to be over that much quicker for them.
 
I didn't say, lost his job 20 months later, I said lost his home. Because he was still out of a job and couldn't pay his mortgage.

This is the problem with forums like this, it's a total echo chamber and when you wind up with real world examples people don't even bother reading what was written.

...and I said, ask "A" leave voter. Is that such a hard "for instance" construction in English?
I would argue that it was his employer taking the piss. At that stage not one person knew what Brexit would mean in real terms and how it would affect their business. They were looking for an excuse to bin the London office and Brexit was convenient.
 
I grew up with my Dad's small business and watched it dwindle as I entered the workplace (decades ago). The knife edge that many small businesses operate on is entirely lost on people. He exported into Europe when he could, never really broke out globally and then when British manufacturing was seriously undercut but enough of a good product coming out of China it all but collapsed. I remember good years and nearly losing the house bad years, it cost us the family. Brexit would have destroyed what was left. Not least because the one guy (a Frenchman) who keeps the operational side of it going is leaving because despite living here for 15 years he's no longer welcome. Dad could not afford to re-advertise a job and compete, it's merely the loyalty of the guy he gave a break to that means for a balanced life he gets paid below the market rate.
You're blaming Brexit for your dad's business failing despite it actually being cheap shite from China, admitting: "watching it dwindle as I entered the workplace (decades ago).

Why aren't you running his business instead of the loyal Frenchman? Your dad couldn't afford to advertise a job? How hard up was he?

By the way, your assertation that "The knife edge that many small businesses operate on is entirely lost on people."
No it isn't. Most businesses operate on thin margins - look at airlines or hauliers, where a simple fuel rise can have a devastating effect on their bottom line.

Fcuking hell man, change your nappy and stop dripping.
 
Yep, and then young people might be able to get on the housing ladder without needing to rob a bank first. Also the price of houses is plain stupid - it would be a good thing if the prices dropped and more people could afford to buy one. Also as the councils flogged a vast percentage of their housing stock - but never replaced them, maybe some of these houses could house our own homeless people.
Sounds like you should vote labour.

Housing for the Many

Affordable Homes
We will build one million new genuinely affordable homes over 10 years, and ensure every council every year builds or commissions Labour’s new affordable homes.

We will ensure every council every year builds or commissions Labour’s new affordable homes. We will hardwire Labour’s new affordable housing throughout the system, from housebuilding targets to investment priorities to planning rules.

We are making a 10-year commitment in Labour’s long-term plan for housing so this level of new affordable housebuilding is sustained across economic and political cycles. Big policy, financing, planning and legal changes will be required to establish a housing system fit to deliver these aims.

We propose to:

  • Define a new ‘affordable housing’ as linked to local income, and scrap the Conservatives’ so-called ‘affordable
  • rent’ homes priced at up to 80% of market rates
  • Stop the sell-off of 50,000 social rented homes a year by suspending the right to buy, ending all conversions to ‘affordable rent’ and scrapping the Government’s plans to force councils to sell the best of their homes
  • Back councils and housing associations with new funding, powers and flexibilities to build again at scale
  • Transform the planning system with a new duty to deliver affordable homes, an English Sovereign Land Trust to make more land available more cheaply and an end to the ‘viability’ loophole that lets developers dodge their contribution to more affordable homes.
 
Blame the bunch of remain pricks in government who have procrastinated for the last two years, before waking up at the 11th hour like a schoolkid late for an exam. They have had chance after chance to get this right and PMTM has made the wrong decision at every turn.
Oh come on, @Bagl0ck - Old? Seriously? The whole Brexit shebang is getting old, but even you can't argue that PMTM et al have handled the whole thing very badly.
 
The veterinary surgeon who saved one of my dogs when he damaged his spine was Mexican. and did his Master's on spinal injuries in dogs., AFAIK he was the only Mexican I have met in my life, all the Tex Mex places have the usual easties,, antipodean, EU and local staff.
I married a Mexican.

Ay chihuahua!
 
Sounds like you should vote labour.

Housing for the Many

Affordable Homes
We will build one million new genuinely affordable homes over 10 years, and ensure every council every year builds or commissions Labour’s new affordable homes.

We will ensure every council every year builds or commissions Labour’s new affordable homes. We will hardwire Labour’s new affordable housing throughout the system, from housebuilding targets to investment priorities to planning rules.

We are making a 10-year commitment in Labour’s long-term plan for housing so this level of new affordable housebuilding is sustained across economic and political cycles. Big policy, financing, planning and legal changes will be required to establish a housing system fit to deliver these aims.

We propose to:

  • Define a new ‘affordable housing’ as linked to local income, and scrap the Conservatives’ so-called ‘affordable
  • rent’ homes priced at up to 80% of market rates
  • Stop the sell-off of 50,000 social rented homes a year by suspending the right to buy, ending all conversions to ‘affordable rent’ and scrapping the Government’s plans to force councils to sell the best of their homes
  • Back councils and housing associations with new funding, powers and flexibilities to build again at scale
  • Transform the planning system with a new duty to deliver affordable homes, an English Sovereign Land Trust to make more land available more cheaply and an end to the ‘viability’ loophole that lets developers dodge their contribution to more affordable homes.
How many of these homes will go to UKs vast population of un married mothers, who at the ripe old age of 16 or 17 have already got a minimum of 1 sprog, take guildford for example, single grand mother with three children,single daughter with 4 daughters and 1 son (Sadly murdered a few years back)oldest grand daughter has 2 children, the other 3 each under 18 years of age has 1 child, all supported by the state,living in 2 or 3 bedroomed properties, returned soldiers and their families have to wait months if not years for accomodation, affordable housing but for employed workers not the leecheswho make a career out of rorting social services!!
 
Oh come on, @Bagl0ck - Old? Seriously? The whole Brexit shebang is getting old, but even you can't argue that PMTM et al have handled the whole thing very badly.
The leavers were running things and then ran away when they realised that it was impossible.

The old is for blaming remain
 
The Europeans didn't, and don't , work for less but are, as a rule, more productive per hour than their UK equivalent. They are also much more likely, but not exclusively, to be prepared to do the dirty jobs which are "beneath" UK staff. Incidentally they are not Monkeys. There are many quality people working here whom we should be incentivising to stay!

That said what is considered a good wage?

Where I work the "salary package", which includes a lot of overtime in the summer, equates to approximately £35,000 annum. On vegetable farms, where there are longer hours, specialist operators can earn significantly more. Even double the above figure. But you have to be prepared for 70 hour weeks plus all year round.

Some comparators for you: 1972 2018
Ploughing Acre £3.00 £25.85 761% Increase in cost
Combine Harvesting Acre £3.50 £38.64 1,004% Increase in cost
Manure Spreading Hour £2.25 £48.61 2,060% Increase in cost

Animal Feed Wheat 1984 £100 tonne (I haven't got a 1972 price to hand)
Forward Price 2019 Harvest £133 tonne 33% increase over 35 years.

Machinery costs have been mitigated to some degree by bigger machines, which are better made (more reliable) covering bigger areas, much bigger areas. The bulk of the increases are labour costs.

You want more money to pay more to people, other people have to pay more, much more for their food. Not politically good and we have form here with Corn Laws and their repeal.
Yes and in 1972, a can of beans cost 9p and a pint of lager cost 20p. The average wage was around £32.00 per week and a brand new Mini cost around £600.

It isn't just farming costs that have gone up.
 
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