Brexit Phase Two - Trade

[CowboyBob]

We have a largely unwritten Constitution, hence my point.

Didn't the Conservatives promise a new UK Bill of Rights post Brexit?

 

[irlsgt]

Do I detect a little feigned innocence. When Ireland joined in 73, it was under our auspices as an ex part of the U.K. What was accepted by the EEC was the CTA as trade off for the commonwealth, which France insisted on as they were determined to protect their overseas possessions. Ask yourself a question, would Ireland have been accepted in 73 on their own? That trade off worked to the EEC’s advantage.

that was with reference to being excluded from freedom of movement to a degree (what became the Schegen area)

Why should you want to get rid of the CTA? Hardly the honest broker position is it. You want all Ireland, yet you want the benefit of no passport controls, the ability to affect our elections, you might just as well get in bed with the SNP. But our shared invisible border is a boon to the EU. In fact the Dial is what Sturgeon wishes Edinburgh was amongst other inconsistencies.

Ireland wants to keep the CTA there is absolutely zero secret about that it is in the EU position papers.

As to your latter point, your Either in the CU or your’e not, that’s ireland’s Decision, but you have little or no control over that or your fiscal policy. You’ve ditched us, not us you, remember, you want shot of us. Well fine, I wouldn’t permit your halfway house.

what are you on about?
Ireland didn’t vote the U.K. out of the EU, the British Government held a referendum and the majority of the U.K. electorate said they wanted to leave.

Ireland can’t remain within the EU and have some kind of agreement about goods crossing the border. That is an EU competency for the EU to negotiate with the U.K.

If Ireland tried to have some kind of bilateral deal or we ignored the border and let anything across..... it would result in all exports from Ireland being treated as potential 3rd country goods.

 

[Brotherton Lad]

We have a largely unwritten Constitution, hence my point.

Here's one set of thoughts on the subject.

Everything you need to know about stopping Brexit and revoking Article 50

 

[LeoRoverman]

There are three things, young gentlemen, which you are constantly to bear in mind. Firstly, you must always implicitly obey orders, without attempting to form any opinion of your own respecting their propriety. Secondly, you must consider every man your enemy who speaks ill of your king; and thirdly, you must hate a Frenchman, as you do the devil

Yers Item one is definitely conditional these days. Items 2 and three no probs, says an Englishman with a half German /Prussian mother.

 

[LeoRoverman]

Ireland wants to keep the CTA there is absolutely zero secret about that it is in the EU position papers.

so does the EU!!!! and that is the unpublicised secret.

 

[Tired_Tech]

Ireland wants to keep the CTA there is absolutely zero secret about that it is in the EU position papers.

I think it's time we moved on from 100 years ago and formally cut ties with Ireland.

view it as a completely separate country. (Southern) Irish people would have exactly the same rights as Italians or Japanese visitors.

 

[Panic-in-Detroit]

Didn't the Conservatives promise a new UK Bill of Rights post Brexit?

I don't think it was in their last Manifesto.

 

[CowboyBob]

The UK does not have a formal Constitution.
Procedures are based on precedence and convention.

In practice, this means that Parliament can stop Brexit without the agreement of the PM/Cabinet.

Would having written Constitution increase the power of the people, as they could reference a document and not need to rely on lawyers?

 

[LeoRoverman]

what are you on about?
Ireland didn’t vote the U.K. out of the EU, the British Government held a referendum and the majority of the U.K. electorate said they wanted to leave.

Now you are being obtuse. My reference was to the 1922 agreement when you wanted shot of British rule, and the majority of the IRA SF actions which has plainly wanted Britain to vacate. Plain unfortunate fact is it is not reciprocated by majority of the Irish population.

 

[LeoRoverman]

Bigotry is allowed if it's Marxists dishing it out

Bring it on, let them emasculate themselves

 

[exbleep]

I don't think it was in their last Manifesto.

Yes it was.
The Proposed British Bill of Rights is a proposal of the Conservative Government, included in their 2015 election manifesto, to replace the Human Rights Act 1998 with a new piece of primary legislation

 

[LeoRoverman]

Depends what your Constitution says

er nope, it would also have to be ratified by the other 27 MS

 

[Brotherton Lad]

er nope, it would also have to be ratified by the other 27 MS

It's unilateral revocation by the UK. You appear to be conflating revocation with extension.

 

[Panic-in-Detroit]

Would having written Constitution increase the power of the people, as they could reference a document and not need to rely on lawyers?

The consensus up until now has been that the UK Parliamentary system works better than most others across the world. Whatever system is brought in will have checks and constraints on the executive, and the Govt does not have an overall majority.

Parliament can stop/frustrate Brexit simply because there is a majority of MPs against it. It is unlikely any Constitution would seek to stop a majority view in Parliament.

The issue is not the Constitution, but the way the Referendum was drafted.

 

[PhotEx]

Couple of posts attacking Grieve for having a foreign mother.

How low things are sinking

The French......


"They are thieves, murderers, oppressors and infidels, therefore what faith can we hold with these people."

Adm Nelson