Brexit Phase Two - Trade

Auld-Yin

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@Baglock you state

The electorate don't seem to have shifted wrt brexit, mainly because the worst negative effects wouldn't be felt until a hard brexit crashes the workings of the country.
You have move from Doom as soon as the result came in, to Doom is on its way and just round the corner, to Doom will not happen until we leave the EU. Can you not see the fault in your own argument?
 
@Baglock you state



You have move from Doom as soon as the result came in, to Doom is on its way and just round the corner, to Doom will not happen until we leave the EU. Can you not see the fault in your own argument?
Where did I say that doom would come when the result came in?

Printing £250 billion in QE and other measures helped

We are still in the EU framework.

Slowdown in the economy aside. Things are largely the same since this is the phoney war
 

Wordsmith

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The alternative to whatever's agreed is no agreement at all; those are the only choices available. If Parliament throws out the agreement, it's hello to the hardest of hard Brexits.
Which indeed is May's solution to the problem. She has to give parliament a vote on the issue - the two options will be the negotiated agreement or hard Brexit - effectively Hobson's choice.

What do the remainers thing would happen if parliament rejected the negotiated deal - that the EU would come back with a better one? That's really tin foil hat thinking considering the UK exits the EU come what may in March of next year.

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How about Eurostar still being regulated by 2x regulatory regimes?
erm it's technically French, we sold our shares some time ago which means it part of SNCF that Macron wants to dismantle. Moreover DB have an interest. Point is that a third or so of the Drivers are British and the earlies are covered in Belgium and France by British drivers as the continentals need their croissants. That's why the French and the Belgies's why the do the lates. AFAIK there is no specific link to the ECJ
 
It's all there in
Testimony from the heads of EASA, the FAA and the CAA has been posted endlessly on the aviation thread,as well as from leading industry figures.

Folk like yourself simply choose to ignore it.
Not ignore it. Take it for what it is.

A problem that can be easily sorted.
 

Joker62

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How about Eurostar still being regulated by 2x regulatory regimes?
erm it's technically French, we sold our shares some time ago which means it part of SNCF that Macron wants to dismantle. Moreover DB have an interest. Point is that a third or so of the Drivers are British and the earlies are covered in Belgium and France by British drivers as the continentals need their croissants. That's why the French and the Belgies's why the do the lates. AFAIK there is no specific link to the ECJ
Probably because it's basically a private company and just because it has "Euro" in it's title, it doesn't mean that it has the square root of fùck all to do with the EU.

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It's all there in
Testimony from the heads of EASA, the FAA and the CAA has been posted endlessly on the aviation thread,as well as from leading industry figures.

Folk like yourself simply choose to ignore it.

You mean like expert testimony prior the vote that promised us armageddon if we voted leave?
 

Auld-Yin

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Where did I say that doom would come when the result came in?

Printing £250 billion in QE and other measures helped

We are still in the EU framework.

Slowdown in the economy aside. Things are largely the same since this is the phoney war
True, you were predicting Doom before the referendum! :rolleyes:
 

Wordsmith

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In other news.

Angela Merkel to back eurozone bailout fund in sign of greater integration
German Chancellor Angela Merkel is set to lend her backing to a eurozone bailout fund, modelled on the world’s lender of last resort, the International Monetary Fund. The German leader is understood to be braced to support the plan ahead of meeting with French President Emmanuel Macron in Berlin on Thursday, despite opposition from some German conservatives.
The general risk?
Ms Merkel’s position will disappoint many German conservatives who are fearful that if the fund were to fall under the jurisdiction of the European Commission, as the bloc’s largest economy it could be forced to pay for irresponsible fiscal practices in other states.
And the specific risk.
These concerns are in partly due to the vast, multi-billion bailout of the Greek economy following the country’s sovereign debt crisis. EU members are still divided on the issue of whether or not to ease the Greek debt burden ahead August, when the third tranche of bailout funding expires. Meetings are expected to be held this week in Washington with the IMF and eurozone finance ministers on debt relief for the country.

The IMF has suggested it will not be prepared to support any further financial assistance for the country unless its largely eurozone debtors agree to some form of debt relief.
In other words, Greece could start having trouble repaying its debt from August onward.

The changers of getting reform through appear to be remote.
These proposals have been severely criticised by other EU finance chiefs, including those of the Netherlands and Ireland. In a joint statement they condemned their “far-reaching” scope and hinted they would lead to greater Franco-German dominance within the bloc. Mark Rutte, the Dutch Prime Minister, said the EU must avoid “speeding towards federalism”.
As these changes would require the agreement of every single member state in the EU, I doubt they'll happen.

However, there does appear to be a clear understanding within the EU that the euro is going to be trouble in the next recession, hence the desire to boost the defences. I suspect that whatever the EU manages will be too little, too late.

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