Brexit Phase Two - Trade

Here's an interesting one.

Cutting migration could boost economic growth, official forecaster says


This is an interesting and important point. the tendency until now is for firm to use low cost labour from economic migrants from the EU - a simple, risk-free approach.

However, there is a clear trend towards automation and doing away with the need for low cost labour. In order to remain competitive on the world stage in 20 - 30 years time, the UK is going to have to invest heavily in automation. Otherwise we will lose out against countries that have automated and hence have reduced the labour cost of their production.

Another example of how Brexit is causing a re-think - which in this case can only be beneficial.

Wordsmith

All a bit of a bugger for the EU's who's economic ponzi scheme model is predicated on a never ending stream of cheap labour from the latest accession state to loot.
 
Sorry, but for anyone with an IQ above single figures… 'But TRUMP!!!!!' is not a winning argument.
It was never intended as a winning argument, it was simply to show that Juncker wasn't alone amongst Western political figures in offering Putin congratulations. It adds a little context to your initial attack on Juncker.

Before the Salisbury attack, and before the allegations of Trump/Russia collusion these actions would have been considered nothing more than the normal diplomatic niceties. As it stands both look somewhat inappropriate.

You also called my comment irrelevant as Trump had no part to play in the outcome of Brexit. Given the number of commentators looking to the USA for trade deals or solutions to aviation regulation I'd suggest that's a little naive.
 
It's not for me to set your feverish paranoia about the EU at ease.

You need to sort out the irrational hatred of European cooperation within yourself

You are amusing ... how do you arrive at "feverish paranoia" and "irrational hatred" from my post and questions? Methinks the Remainder doth froth too much.

It looks like your insipid attempt at civility has not managed to endure beyond 48 hours.
 
You are amusing ... how do you arrive at "feverish paranoia" and "irrational hatred" from my post and questions? Methinks the Remainder doth froth too much.

It looks like your insipid attempt at civility has not managed to endure beyond 48 hours.
Hope you enjoy your day Bob.
 

skid2

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Here's an interesting one.

Cutting migration could boost economic growth, official forecaster says


This is an interesting and important point. the tendency until now is for firm to use low cost labour from economic migrants from the EU - a simple, risk-free approach.

However, there is a clear trend towards automation and doing away with the need for low cost labour. In order to remain competitive on the world stage in 20 - 30 years time, the UK is going to have to invest heavily in automation. Otherwise we will lose out against countries that have automated and hence have reduced the labour cost of their production.

Another example of how Brexit is causing a re-think - which in this case can only be beneficial.

Wordsmith
What a stupendously brilliant idea. As everyone knows we will be so busy trading with the wider world (and watching Europe burn). Automation is the way forward because post Brexit our education sector will not have to cope with foreign children.

Our children can benefit from the sort of proper education they’re going to need. Politics, economics, foreign languages. MBAs. As there’s going to be be no one doing low paid manual labour.

And machines are going to do it all. A step outside and a quick look around would speedily disabuse the idea that almost everything especially in the low paid labour market can be done by machine or will be.

The Jetsons are only a cartoon show they aren’t real.
 
All a bit of a bugger for the EU's who's economic ponzi scheme model is predicated on a never ending stream of cheap labour from the latest accession state to loot.
I don't think its a Ponzi scheme.

Part of the reason for economic migration to the UK is people leaving the countries of southern Europe because their economies have suffered from euro membership - both Greece and Spain still have 15% unemployment. As such, people are upping sticks and moving to a country where jobs are available.

Secondly, UK companies (and public services) have become addicted to a supply of cheap labour. It's been easier for them to exploit that than to grapple with the more difficult tasks of improving productivity and increasing automation.

In this instance I think the UK is significantly more at fault that the EU. We had other options that to endlessly tap into a source of cheap labour.

Wordsmith
 
I don't think its a Ponzi scheme.

Part of the reason for economic migration to the UK is people leaving the countries of southern Europe because their economies have suffered from euro membership - both Greece and Spain still have 15% unemployment. As such, people are upping sticks and moving to a country where jobs are available.

Secondly, UK companies (and public services) have become addicted to a supply of cheap labour. It's been easier for them to exploit that than to grapple with the more difficult tasks of improving productivity and increasing automation.

In this instance I think the UK is significantly more at fault that the EU. We had other options that to endlessly tap into a source of cheap labour.

Wordsmith

Its just as bad in Europa. Germany has relied on gastarbiter and continues to do so, despite the demographic issues its bringing.
The EU is like a Federal State in reverse, the wealth, in cash terms and human capital. is sucked out of the poorer parts to boost the thriving core States.
Germany does not move work to Greece, but its happy to build cars with greek gastarbieters for the Greek market.
 
Switch target...the dastardly Tusk is the root of all evil.
 

skid2

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I don't think its a Ponzi scheme.

Part of the reason for economic migration to the UK is people leaving the countries of southern Europe because their economies have suffered from euro membership - both Greece and Spain still have 15% unemployment. As such, people are upping sticks and moving to a country where jobs are available.

Secondly, UK companies (and public services) have become addicted to a supply of cheap labour. It's been easier for them to exploit that than to grapple with the more difficult tasks of improving productivity and increasing automation.

In this instance I think the UK is significantly more at fault that the EU. We had other options that to endlessly tap into a source of cheap labour.

Wordsmith
That’s ballocks. Our public services exploiting foreigners.

Do they get paid less, are they working under different t&cs to other public servants in their departments. Where necessary have they filled in the OSA?

How would employing more foreigners at the same rate of pay as other workers save money and reduce the need for automation?

What public service jobs can be done by automation, which are currently being done by low paid foreigners.
Street cleaning. School crossing patrol.

Obviously there’s VAT, Tax and accountancy although everyone admits such a system for crossing borders hasn’t been envisaged never mind on the horizon.


And that’s another reason why brexit is such a stupid idea. Here we should be right in there in collaboration with other vehicle manufacturers devising plans for electric and driverless vehicles. Will we be, it doesn’t look like it.

And automation, we’re on the outside of that one too, when it’s something we are really good at and should be right in there, but our European neighbours are now treating us as a 3rd country.
 

skid2

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Even the CBI accepts that millions of low paid/low skill manufacturing and retail jobs will disappear in the next 10 years.

Who’s going to do it r2d2?. Millions of low skill/paid manufacturing and retail jobs will disappear within the next ten years.
Wanna bet they’ll be replaced by low skilled well paid /government subsidised manufacturing and retail jobs.



It’s funny how all these ideas of the future seem not to quite come to fruition. The paperless office anyone?
 
Who’s going to do it r2d2?. Millions of low skill/paid manufacturing and retail jobs will disappear within the next ten years.
Wanna bet they’ll be replaced by low skilled well paid /government subsidised manufacturing and retail jobs.



It’s funny how all these ideas of the future seem not to quite come to fruition. The paperless office anyone?

Have you told the Tescos of this world to stop fitting self service tills?
 
And that’s another reason why brexit is such a stupid idea. Here we should be right in there in collaboration with other vehicle manufacturers devising plans for electric and driverless vehicles. Will we be, it doesn’t look like it.
.

Shame the main movers in electric vehicles and automation are not based in the EU then, innit?
 
Its just as bad in Europa. Germany has relied on gastarbiter and continues to do so, despite the demographic issues its bringing.
That is Germany's problem not ours. However, we will have one big advantage over Germany in the future. We will shortly have control over our own borders again, and can control who comes into the UK.

Germany, having signed up to Schlengen, will continue to be a magnet for economic migrants who can make it past the EU's border controls. As such, I suspect the flow of economic migrants into Germany will continue, as will the pressure on the welfare budget and the political problems from having a large minority with very different traditions and behaviour to ethnic Germans.

Wordsmith
 
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