Brexit Phase Two - Trade

Typical looking for the negatives in everything! I like JRM's take on it - he is not happy but if it is the basis that helps reach a p;roper worked settlement then he will go along with it just now, voting against bits he does not like. So, unlike the Remainers, he has looked at the deasl and thought about it and realised that it is a step in the right direction but not the end of the path.
To be fair, he was sticking up admirably for the Scottish fisherman who are likely to be sold out for 'the greater good'.

I do feel genuine pity for the fishermen who will get the exact opposite of what they voted for
 
Thats the jolly smiling upbeat Jacob Rees Mogg who describes us as a vassal state, sulks loudly and in public when the stupidity of Brexit isn’t going as he thinks it should. I also note that the brexits are conveniently ignoring the fact that the UK Gov have signed up to the Backstop scenario in respect of NI.

But we arent mentioning that because it’s inconvenient. The DUP dont mention it because they’ve been told to shut up ( and are praying it’s not going to happen) and it’s effectively shut down any chance of a hard Brexit much to everyone’s relief

What, no news from Nigel?
Nigel's joy of brexit is turning to ashes in his mouth as it becomes clear we are pretending to leave.

A big difference will be that he'll no longer be milking the EU test, sadly he'll be off the payroll.

Although he'll have a tidy pension to be fair. Shame that the EU can't do a Trump and withdraw it a couple of days before retirement
 

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JRM described it as purgatory before heaven.

Tells you all you need to know about his grip on reality.

Deity worship and equating brexit with a positive outcome are not the marks of a critical thinker
If you take it metaphorically (sorry for the big words - hope it doesn't confuse you) rather than religiously then you may understand the world a bit better.
 
If you take it metaphorically (sorry for the big words - hope it doesn't confuse you) rather than religiously then you may understand the world a bit better.
He's admitted in the past that his faith guides his principles, so it's hard to take it otherwise
 

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He appears to have dropped of the site completely with his username gone AWOL. Pity, because apart from frothing at the mouth when any suggestion that the EU was less than perfect came up, he could be quite informative in other threads.

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Ditto for @Crepello
 
Is it just me , or have we extended the CFP by a year....as things stand, aren't we in it until at least 19 March 2019, and we are extending until 2020.... Pretty sure the bastards aren't going to hoover all the fish in that period, especially as they are going to be under the same rules as they are presently complying with... Except the Spanish... The Spanish are c@nts
 
Is it just me , or have we extended the CFP by a year....as things stand, aren't we in it until at least 19 March 2019, and we are extending until 2020.... Pretty sure the bastards aren't going to hoover all the fish in that period, especially as they are going to be under the same rules as they are presently complying with... Except the Spanish... The Spanish are c@nts
I think this was an inevitable bit of horse trading. Realistically, it's given the French and Spanish fishermen two additional years to find new fishing grounds. But i would be perturbed if they had continued access after 2020, unless:

1) They paid for licenses to fish British waters and it was done under strict supervision to prevent illegal fishing.

OR

2) Their catch was restricted to 90,000 tons - what UK fishermen take from what will soon be EU waters - with UK fishermen allows to continue taking those fish after the transition period.

In either case, the EU catch between now and the end of the transition period should not be allowed to exceed current limits.

The main thing is that we ultimately get control back of our own waters and start to manage them in a sustainable manner.

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I think this was an inevitable bit of horse trading. Realistically, it's given the French and Spanish fishermen two additional years to find new fishing grounds. But i would be perturbed if they had continued access after 2020, unless:

1) They paid for licenses to fish British waters and it was done under strict supervision to prevent illegal fishing.

OR

2) Their catch was restricted to 90,000 tons - what UK fishermen take from what will soon be EU waters - with UK fishermen allows to continue taking those fish after the transition period.

In either case, the EU catch between now and the end of the transition period should not be allowed to exceed current limits.

The main thing is that we ultimately get control back of our own waters and start to manage them in a sustainable manner.

Wordsmith
That process being the whole point of a transition period. Polling figures point out that Scottish fishermen voted to leave the EU as they wanted to see and end to the CFA but Scotland voted to Remain thus forcing Scottish fishermen to continue being screwed by the EU. At least after 2020 there should be a UK wide policy to which EU fishermen have to observe. Just wonder if the navy can protect our waters.
 

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That process being the whole point of a transition period. Polling figures point out that Scottish fishermen voted to leave the EU as they wanted to see and end to the CFA but Scotland voted to Remain thus forcing Scottish fishermen to continue being screwed by the EU. At least after 2020 there should be a UK wide policy to which EU fishermen have to observe. Just wonder if the navy can protect our waters.
That process being the whole point of a transition period. Polling figures point out that Scottish fishermen voted to leave the EU as they wanted to see and end to the CFA but Scotland voted to Remain thus forcing Scottish fishermen to continue being screwed by the EU. At least after 2020 there should be a UK wide policy to which EU fishermen have to observe. Just wonder if the navy can protect our waters.
Of course they can’t. That’s why fishing was always on the endangered list as being bargained away.
 
That process being the whole point of a transition period. Polling figures point out that Scottish fishermen voted to leave the EU as they wanted to see and end to the CFA but Scotland voted to Remain thus forcing Scottish fishermen to continue being screwed by the EU. At least after 2020 there should be a UK wide policy to which EU fishermen have to observe. Just wonder if the navy can protect our waters.
May is effectively having her feet held to the fire by both Ruth Davidson and JRM indicating they won't support continued EU access beyond the transition period. She'll be aware that either is capable of putting an amendment down to that effect. Labour would be pretty well guaranteed to support that amendment - electorally popular and a bloody nose for May. So I don't think she can afford to allow access after the transition period.

Policing need not be so difficult. Invest in three old maritime patrol aircraft - their radar only needs to be good enough to detect trawlers - and bring some old frigates out of mothballs and partially disarm them for fishery protection vessels. EU trawlers to fish in UK waters is to be subject to license - a condition of that license being the right to inspection at any time while in UK waters. Planes find the trawlers - ex-frigates intercept suspect ones with heavy fines for law-breakers....

If the government really thought strategically, they'd invest in some refrigerated trains. Land your catch at northern Scottish ports, load onto refrigerated train and have it - via euro tunnel - in continental markets while the EU trawlers are still days away from port.

Wordsmith
 
Is it just me , or have we extended the CFP by a year....as things stand, aren't we in it until at least 19 March 2019, and we are extending until 2020.... Pretty sure the bastards aren't going to hoover all the fish in that period, especially as they are going to be under the same rules as they are presently complying with... Except the Spanish... The Spanish are c@nts
Your already signed up to 2020
 
May is effectively having her feet held to the fire by both Ruth Davidson and JRM indicating they won't support continued EU access beyond the transition period. She'll be aware that either is capable of putting an amendment down to that effect. Labour would be pretty well guaranteed to support that amendment - electorally popular and a bloody nose for May. So I don't think she can afford to allow access after the transition period.

Policing need not be so difficult. Invest in three old maritime patrol aircraft - their radar only needs to be good enough to detect trawlers - and bring some old frigates out of mothballs and partially disarm them for fishery protection vessels. EU trawlers to fish in UK waters is to be subject to license - a condition of that license being the right to inspection at any time while in UK waters. Planes find the trawlers - ex-frigates intercept suspect ones with heavy fines for law-breakers....

If the government really thought strategically, they'd invest in some refrigerated trains. Land your catch at northern Scottish ports, load onto refrigerated train and have it - via euro tunnel - in continental markets while the EU trawlers are still days away from port.

Wordsmith
Aye, if only there was actually a railway line that went anywhere near Scotland's main fishing port. Peterhead is 32 miles from the nearest railway.

Ans it's a shit railway at that.
 
May is effectively having her feet held to the fire by both Ruth Davidson and JRM indicating they won't support continued EU access beyond the transition period. She'll be aware that either is capable of putting an amendment down to that effect. Labour would be pretty well guaranteed to support that amendment - electorally popular and a bloody nose for May. So I don't think she can afford to allow access after the transition period.

Policing need not be so difficult. Invest in three old maritime patrol aircraft - their radar only needs to be good enough to detect trawlers - and bring some old frigates out of mothballs and partially disarm them for fishery protection vessels. EU trawlers to fish in UK waters is to be subject to license - a condition of that license being the right to inspection at any time while in UK waters. Planes find the trawlers - ex-frigates intercept suspect ones with heavy fines for law-breakers....

If the government really thought strategically, they'd invest in some refrigerated trains. Land your catch at northern Scottish ports, load onto refrigerated train and have it - via euro tunnel - in continental markets while the EU trawlers are still days away from port.

Wordsmith
UK is signed up to CFP until 2020
 
UK is signed up to CFP until 2020
That's OK. The spanish and Dutch fleets have pretty much decimated our fishing stocks anyway. I believe we'll have to let them recover for a few years.

Don't worry your little paddy head about Great Britain.
 
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