Brexit Phase Two - Trade

Not at all. They have a right to argue their case.
However what the Brexit loons seem to fail to understand is that the Referendum was the START of a process.

What all good democrats are saying is that when we know the actual cost of Brexit the population should be asked if they want to pay that price. No sane person signs a blank cheque.

At the moment the UK is "getting a quote" for the cost of Brexit. Then the UK cansee if it wants to pay the price.

It might be that the deal is that good 75% of the UK say "I want that!" OTOH you have to be prepared for 75% to say: no way! We want to stay in.

But you can only to that when you know the cost. At the moment no one knows the costs.
You appear to be arguing for direct democracy, we might as well have a vote on every matter of policy. I'd be happy with that.

With our rules however, the government have a duty to deliver a Brexit. As non-policymakers, the type of Brexit is not our remit. We can give our opinion of Brexit at the next election.
 
Your liking for hyperbolic fantasy posts doesn't do you any favours.

He's given what will most likely happen and why.

Meanwhile, back in reality some more of those pesky foreigners are saying stuff.



Full statement here for the lazy:

JBCE and Keidanren Joint statement on the Brexit ‹ Japan Business Council in Europe
And in other news, scientists have convincing evidence of where bears prefer to defecate and catholics the world over are rejoicing over the news that the pope shares their religious conviction.
 

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Enter Hilary Benn, stage right [ I am after all a democrat] sky this morning.
Well the barsteward had been hiding since Corbyn became his leader, time he started earning his pay!
 
Pro EU newspaper quoted pro EU news story. Quelle suprise.

Anybody talking about a third referendum?
Actually no one wants second referendum.

What is both wanted and needed is a vote on the Terms of Exit. Unless of course you are happy for the Government to say, without a vote: "Sorry could not make Brexit work. It's cancelled."

THE Referendum is only advisory and if there is no public vote on accepting/rejecting the terms of exit then the Government can say : "it won't work:" I would prefer a public vote on yes/no for the terms.

BTW a hard Brexit with no agreements would be suicide so that is not an option.
It would not have been suicide had HMG planned for that eventiallity but as they haven't yet planned for any sort of Brexit a hard Brexit would be suicide. (IN and Scotland would bugger off to start with.... OK so there are some upsides :) )

The only thing HMG has done is managed to take on thousands of expensive Civil Servants (and the cost will be increasing for a generation at least) to waffle around on trying to work out what sort of Brexit we might get. Nothing actually concrete.

The one thing both sides of the Brexit argument can agree on is that HMG is in a mess and not going to get anything sensible sorted in 12 months.
Major, Blair, Clegg et al have all made it perfectly clear of the desire of a 2nd referendum as they can’t handle the result, so much so for making speeches to this affect.

1000’s of CS?
2017 was nearly 400

https://www.nao.org.uk/wp-content/u...Department-for-Exiting-the-European-Union.pdf

However, it was recently quoted on Politico to nearer 600 now.

As for HMG mess and sensible?

That would take a sensible ‘United’ HoC to ensure the current mess of political bitching from both sides got resolved rather than consistently point scoring.


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Funnily enough, over there in oireland, the pro abortionists are claiming 52% is an overwhelming
mandate
And.....I think your spellchecks broke. Or if you're being humorous that’s broke too.

Thank you for sharing irrelevant and inaccurate statistics. If it’s that close I’ll be surprised, if it’s a pro result I’ll be even more surprised.
 
they want it to stay the same because change frightens them. It not necessarily good or bad, it's just change.
They want it to stay the same because they want to make profits and CGAF about UK politics other than how much it allows them to make said profits.
And in other news, scientists have convincing evidence of where bears prefer to defecate and catholics the world over are rejoicing over the news that the pope shares their religious conviction.
The statement is quite blunt for the Japanese.
 
They want it to stay the same because they want to make profits and CGAF about UK politics other than how much it allows them to make said profits.

The statement is quite blunt for the Japanese.

Quite blunt is something of an understatement.
 

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Did it ever occur to you we accepted there will be a cost and are happy to pay it?
Rubbish. You are changing your narrative to fit the unpalatable reality.

Any downsides were dismissed as project fear.

Now the likes of Wordsmith are scrambling to justify his folly by coming up with fanciful claims of the EU's imminent collapse
 
Rubbish. You are changing your narrative to fit the unpalatable reality.

Any downsides were dismissed as project fear.

Now the likes of Wordsmith are scrambling to justify his folly by coming up with fanciful claims of the EU's imminent collapse

Wordsmith's argument the other day that nothing much would change for a decade was a masterpiece of back-pedalling.
 

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I see the EU apologists are out in force again - must be something to do with it being the weekend!

Still lets them have somewhere to play with their fantasies! :oops:
 
I see the EU apologists are out in force again - must be something to do with it being the weekend!

Still lets them have somewhere to play with their fantasies! :oops:

No EU apologist here. It's educational to watch the adding of glitter and the frenetic polishing of a concept that died in June 2017. Only the most zealous will fail to realise how dirty their hands are.
 

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