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Pro EU newspaper quoted pro EU news story. Quelle suprise.

Anybody talking about a third referendum?
Actually no one wants second referendum.

What is both wanted and needed is a vote on the Terms of Exit. Unless of course you are happy for the Government to say, without a vote: "Sorry could not make Brexit work. It's cancelled."

THE Referendum is only advisory and if there is no public vote on accepting/rejecting the terms of exit then the Government can say : "it won't work:" I would prefer a public vote on yes/no for the terms.

BTW a hard Brexit with no agreements would be suicide so that is not an option.
It would not have been suicide had HMG planned for that eventiallity but as they haven't yet planned for any sort of Brexit a hard Brexit would be suicide. (IN and Scotland would bugger off to start with.... OK so there are some upsides :) )

The only thing HMG has done is managed to take on thousands of expensive Civil Servants (and the cost will be increasing for a generation at least) to waffle around on trying to work out what sort of Brexit we might get. Nothing actually concrete.

The one thing both sides of the Brexit argument can agree on is that HMG is in a mess and not going to get anything sensible sorted in 12 months.
 
Actually no one wants second referendum.

What is both wanted and needed is a vote on the Terms of Exit. Unless of course you are happy for the Government to say, without a vote: "Sorry could not make Brexit work. It's cancelled."

THE Referendum is only advisory and if there is no public vote on accepting/rejecting the terms of exit then the Government can say : "it won't work:" I would prefer a public vote on yes/no for the terms.

BTW a hard Brexit with no agreements would be suicide so that is not an option.
It would not have been suicide had HMG planned for that eventiallity but as they haven't yet planned for any sort of Brexit a hard Brexit would be suicide. (IN and Scotland would bugger off to start with)

The only thing HMG has done is managed to take on thousands of expensive Civil Servants (and the cost will be increasing for a generation at least) to waffle around on trying to work out what sort of Brexit we might get. Nothing actually concrete.

The one thing both sides of the Brexit argument can agree on is that HMG is in a mess and not going to get anything sensible sorted in 12 months.
I disagree with pretty much all of your post.
 
Actually no one wants second referendum.

What is both wanted and needed is a vote on the Terms of Exit. Unless of course you are happy for the Government to say, without a vote: "Sorry could not make Brexit work. It's cancelled."

THE Referendum is only advisory and if there is no public vote on accepting/rejecting the terms of exit then the Government can say : "it won't work:" I would prefer a public vote on yes/no for the terms.

BTW a hard Brexit with no agreements would be suicide so that is not an option.
It would not have been suicide had HMG planned for that eventiallity but as they haven't yet planned for any sort of Brexit a hard Brexit would be suicide. (IN and Scotland would bugger off to start with.... OK so there are some upsides :) )

The only thing HMG has done is managed to take on thousands of expensive Civil Servants (and the cost will be increasing for a generation at least) to waffle around on trying to work out what sort of Brexit we might get. Nothing actually concrete.

The one thing both sides of the Brexit argument can agree on is that HMG is in a mess and not going to get anything sensible sorted in 12 months.
Nonsense!!!
 
Thus proving you have no English Comprehension.
I didn't say it was and in fact said under New Labour the UK was effectively the USA's second seat.
After Brexit we will only stay on the UNSC as a permanent member whilst it suites the USA.



Well we know that you know absolutly nothing about the UK Aviation industry.


Not that well informed about military matters either then .....

Are you still convinced all UK aviation will dissapear into a decade long black hole next March?
 
Pro EU newspaper quoted pro EU news story. Quelle suprise.

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And doing so quite dishonestly too.

Brexit: Most Conservative voters who backed Theresa May in 2017 would favour second referendum

Exclusive: In London a big majority of those who backed Ms May's party in the last two elections support a second national vote

Most Theresa May voters support another Brexit referendum, poll reveals.

A little detail not immediately obvious from the dishonest headline or the equally dishonest final sentence.

Further, if we look at the article, we discover that the Independent's definition of 'most' is 42.7%

"A total of 42.7 per cent said they would support it, 19.5 per cent “strongly” and 23.2 per cent “somewhat”, meanwhile 34.6 per cent were against the idea, 23.2 per cent strongly and 11.4 per cent somewhat. Around 14.3 per cent were indifferent, while 9.1 per cent did not know."

Of course the correct headline would be 'the majority of Conservative votes who expressed a preference' but then that wouldn't have the same impact and tell the story they want to tell.
 
So if the referendum had gone your way you’d have been whining Brexit were sore losers if they objected.
Not at all. They have a right to argue their case.
However what the Brexit loons seem to fail to understand is that the Referendum was the START of a process.

What all good democrats are saying is that when we know the actual cost of Brexit the population should be asked if they want to pay that price. No sane person signs a blank cheque.

At the moment the UK is "getting a quote" for the cost of Brexit. Then the UK cansee if it wants to pay the price.

It might be that the deal is that good 75% of the UK say "I want that!" OTOH you have to be prepared for 75% to say: no way! We want to stay in.

But you can only to that when you know the cost. At the moment no one knows the costs.
 
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