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Indeed.

Brexit is very much a plus for Moscow since it weakens both the UK and the rest of the EU. It's only to be expected that Putin should wish to test that weakness.
If your analysis was correct, Putin would wait until Brexit was complete and not remind the rest of the EU, particularly at a sensitive point in negotiations, that annoying one of the top two military powers in Europe might not be the smartest thing to do with Russia on the prowl.

If anything, the UK leaving the EU will strengthen that organisation, at least in the short term. Besides, Putin is not a Remainer and therefore knows his stuff. He is more than aware that the EU is irrelevant in a defence context and that NATO is the entity which he needs to undermine.
 
I believe we have somewhere in the region of 1.8 million able-bodied people receiving various forms of benefits whilst they look for work.
Well, look no further, here is work, it needs doing, and if you want to keep your benefits, roll up your sleeves.
good luck with that, mate.
and I'm sure when native benefit recipients will be working on the field, a horde of swines will fly over them.
 
good luck with that, mate.
and I'm sure when native benefit recipients will be working on the field, a horde of swines will fly over them.
As much as dossers irritate me, talk of putting them all into the fields reeks of totalitarianism, at least in my view.

Besides, the old maxim applies.

If your piss is getting boiled by those beneath you in the food chain, the chances are you are being manipulated by someone above (hint Dacre, Murdoch).
 
If your analysis was correct, Putin would wait until Brexit was complete and not remind the rest of the EU, particularly at a sensitive point in negotiations, that annoying one of the top two military powers in Europe might not be the smartest thing to do with Russia on the prowl.

If anything, the UK leaving the EU will strengthen that organisation, at least in the short term. Besides, Putin is not a Remainer and therefore knows his stuff. He is more than aware that the EU is irrelevant in a defence context and that NATO is the entity which he needs to undermine.
I'm consistently amazed at the number of people who seem to think that NATO operates in some sort of vacuum, completely shielded from the politics of so many of its members. In terms of Western European security both matter, the EU can, and has applied soft power in this context.

The extent of Putin's influence on Brexit is up for debate, but it is obvious Russia sees it as a strategic win, fracture the political unity of Western Europe you inevitably weaken the political unity within NATO, particularly in responding to threats that fall short of an unambiguous Article 5 event.

Add to the current European political situation the fact that Russia has their favoured man in the Oval Office (regardless of how much, if any, collusion Trump and his team conducted) the Kremlin is on a winning streak in geo politics.
 
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good luck with that, mate.
and I'm sure when native benefit recipients will be working on the field, a horde of swines will fly over them.
Depressing isn't it..

To counter that, one of our esteemed members posted a heartwarming photo of a Policeman escorting a mother duck and her brood out of some London official residence to somewhere nearby where they hopefully wouldn't get squished.
I would post the link if I could work out how to do it on this phone. Sorry.
It is truly feel good stuff.
 
As we are best bezzers with the Japanese, could we hire in Godzilla to rampage through Paris and Brussels?
Apparently post Brexit Godzilla will be too busy towing air travellers around in wooden oracles due to our airline industry being forced to close down on the stroke of midnight.
Yup, Sadaam was doing well until he said he was going to trade his oil in Euros.
Then? Long walk, short rope time.
saddam, like Gaddafi was doing well until they broke their nuclear non proliferation agreements.
 
Indeed.

Brexit is very much a plus for Moscow since it weakens both the UK and the rest of the EU. It's only to be expected that Putin should wish to test that weakness.
You'll have to explain how's we've been weakned with Brexit.

The UK within the EU is dependent on the view point system of country's who get their gas from Russian not wanting to upset Russia.
 
I'm consistently amazed at the number of people who seem to think that NATO operates in some sort of vacuum, completely shielded from the politics of so many of its members. In terms of Western European security both matter, the EU can, and has applied soft power in this context.

The extent of Putin's influence on Brexit is up for debate, but it is obvious Russia sees it as a strategic win, fracture the political unity of Western Europe you inevitably weaken the political unity within NATO, particularly in responding to threats that fall short of an unambiguous Article 5 event.

Add to the current European political situation the fact that Russia has their favoured man in the Oval Office (regardless of how much, if any, collusion Trump and his team conducted) the Kremlin is on a winning streak in geo politics.
And I'm constantly amazed by the 'stands to reason dunnit?' arguments of Remainers trying to pipebend European defence arrangements into some sort of conclusive anti-Brexit argument despite having absolutely no idea what they're talking about.

"Fracture the political unity of Western Europe and you inevitably weaken the political unity within NATO" - I suppose you are aware that, for a large chunk of the Cold War, and often when it was at its hottest, France wasn't even a part of NATO's military structure, having flounced in 1966 in order to 'preserve its influence in world affairs'?
 
And I'm constantly amazed by the 'stands to reason dunnit?' arguments of Remainers trying to pipebend European defence arrangements into some sort of conclusive anti-Brexit argument despite having absolutely no idea what they're talking about.

"Fracture the political unity of Western Europe and you inevitably weaken the political unity within NATO" - I suppose you are aware that, for a large chunk of the Cold War, and often when it was at its hottest, France wasn't even a part of NATO's military structure, having flounced in 1966 in order to 'preserve its influence in world affairs'?
More than aware of that thank you.
 
Indeed.

Brexit is very much a plus for Moscow since it weakens both the UK and the rest of the EU. It's only to be expected that Putin should wish to test that weakness.
It's a pity that the EU couldn't or wouldn't throw Cameron a bone to avert BREXIT.

Perhaps they didn't (or still don't) believe that BREXIT would weaken the EU and hand advantage to Vladimir.

Unintended consequences alles uber the platz.
 
This is about the delicious sight of internal bickering within the EU. They are about united as a bag of cats, sealed in with nowhere to go.
Internal bickering but they still manage to bully us?
 
It's a pity that the EU couldn't or wouldn't throw Cameron a bone to avert BREXIT.

Perhaps they didn't (or still don't) believe that BREXIT would weaken the EU and hand advantage to Vladimir.

Unintended consequences alles uber the platz.
As I understand, throwing a bone would've required major treaty change. Happy to be corrected though
 
Now, I know @Baglock and @Higgs_bosun are a bit OTT, and not even funny, when they call the claque mongs. Trouble is, they go to extreme lengths to prove him right.
I measure gobshitery in Yins, incoherent babble in Leo's, pretentious self deceptive waffle in Fyrds or Mangles depending which has amused the most. All combined are measured in Katzez.
 
it's expected of France? A few flaws in the EU but we should stay and reform from within? Personally, I'm with storming Norman. Going to war without France is like going hunting without your accordion.
Nazis
Ponzi
Diktats.

Rinse, repeat. Avoid facts at all costs.
 
I'm consistently amazed at the number of people who seem to think that NATO operates in some sort of vacuum, completely shielded from the politics of so many of its members. In terms of Western European security both matter, the EU can, and has applied soft power in this context.

The extent of Putin's influ
It's a pity that the EU couldn't or wouldn't throw Cameron a bone to avert BREXIT.

Perhaps they didn't (or still don't) believe that BREXIT would weaken the EU and hand advantage to Vladimir.

Unintended consequences alles uber the platz.
It's a pity that the EU couldn't or wouldn't throw Cameron a bone to avert BREXIT.

Perhaps they didn't (or still don't) believe that BREXIT would weaken the EU and hand advantage to Vladimir.

Unintended consequences alles uber the platz.
That's probably why the Russians get concerned about the resurgence of the Prussian empire and its historical meddlings in russias sphere of influence.

Here's on everything guy who hasn't aspirations of becoming the first president of the USE poking the bear.

Tony Blair values cooperation with the Baltic States | Government of Republic of Estonia

Nato embraces Eastern partners in biggest step for half a century

https://www.nato.int/cps/en/natohq/opinions_25599.htm?selectedLocale=en


Let's also not forget the EUs desire to integrate Russia's bread basket into the EU.
 
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