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Well the CAA, FAA, RAeS and EASA (none of which are polotical but legal regulators) have all made formal statements not hysterical outbursts. You onthe other hand are making outbursts with nothing to back it up.

Not, it's coming from the CAA, FAA and RAeS none of which are EU



Thereby PROVING you have not the first idea what you are talking about. YEs we can have an open skys agreement with the FAA... all the CAA needs to do is come up to speed under international Civil Aviation Requirements. IF the UK invests millions and adds in 1500 new people this month we can be up and running by April the 1st 2023 at the best. Untill then we can't fly in or out of the US airspace....

That was the "hysterical" formal statement from the US FAA and the UK CAA. (and the comments from the RAeS) nothing to do with the EU.



Correct. no one has ever said we do. I have said that often... we just need to have our own UK Civil Aviation Regulator. The problem is it will take us an absolute minimum of 5 years to come up to speed with one. (inside the CAA they are saying 10 years) In the interim no one will be able to run civil flights into or out of the UK.

That is a matter of legal fact.



Nothing to do with the EU.... Please stop being so stupid. This is international aviation law and safety regulations. The FAA and CAA are the ones saying this. EASA is saying you can do what you want to do when even you like. However if you want people to fly into your airspace to land your have to have a Regulation authority that operates at the required standards. This require certified people, working in a proper system etc etc. This is internationally agreed. IT will take at least 5 years for people to get to the required standards. There are no short cuts on this.




NOTHING TO DO WITH THE EU. IT IS INTERNATIONAL AVIATION (safety) REGULATIONS.
The EU is happy for us to do our own thing. IF it fits in with international aviation regulations they are happy. the UK needs a MINIMUM of 5 years to do that (plus a LOT of investment ad people we haven't got)

I seem to recall lots of experts also told us the economy would crash, unemployment soar - and war and pestilence would strike us down if we voted LEAVE.

Well…

Here we still are - listening to experts predicting BREXmageddon.
 
I seem to recall lots of experts also told us the economy would crash, unemployment soar - and war and pestilence would strike us down if we voted LEAVE.
Well…
Here we still are - listening to experts predicting BREXmageddon.
Hello stupid.

The experts you cite were making predictions. The CAA, RAeS, FAA etc are making statements of legal fact. There is a slight difference,

The only variable is how long it will take to set up the local CAA infrastructure and people to the required legal standards. From their working experience. And they are the only people who have this are that it would take a minimum of 5 years.... being a Chartered Engineer myself I know there are things like requirements to have a minimum of X years appropreate fully mentored and signed off experience of X, y and Z to to the appropriate standards etc.

Now you could change that from X years to say half that. However the Rest of the World (not the EU) will not accept that. the US FAA certainly won't The International Civil Aviation Rules are not negotiable in that way.

So you have e legal, safety and engineering rules, none of this is political or negotiable. Also the bits that are negotiable we don't have a leg to stand on. It is not a case of the UK can do what it likes... that went with the British Empire. For International Aviation if we step out of EASA according to a senior CAA person I spoke to "the UK has as much clout as Uganda" I have no idea why Uganda but there it is.

Somethings can't be fudged. That is why everyone who knows anything about Civil Aviation (particularly all the UK based airlines) there is no plan B other than staying in EASA which required membership pf the ECJ.

The UK has no leverage in any of this.

So what do you suggest that the people who know what they are talking about haven't thought of. You can cite the relevant legal statutes.
 
We'd of course be going from a rule maker, to a rule taker. That only covers MROs by the way. If you even understand what an MRO is...

If that's what makes you happy, then fair enough.
What the FAA is doing is sorting out a system where they can get repairs and maintenance signed off. Not flights as normal..... and only for US/FAA stuff. As you say the UK Civil Air industry will effectivly come under the USA (not EASA) where we get TOLD what to do with no argument whilst USA FIRST Trump gets the US airlines to move to Boeing.

Airbus will do, despite what it says now, a quick re-shuffel to make sure all it's servicing is inthe EU not UK....
 
No wonder he runs around convinced he's doomed if he's that stupid.
So now the people you think can suddenly create a UK Civil Aviation Regulator out of nothing are "stupid" or is if just the people who disagree with you.

You are proving that those who voted for Brexit didn't know what they were doing.

So since you seem to know better than the Civil Ari Reception Authorities how to create a civil air regulation system to comply with international law please explain how you are proposing it is done... and that is explain presicley citing the relevant standards and laws because so far all you have done is waffle and wave your hands about saying that the people who do run it now don't know wha the are taking about.

That or stop waffling and admit defeat.
 
So now the people you think can suddenly create a UK Civil Aviation Regulator out of nothing are "stupid" or is if just the people who disagree with you.

You are proving that those who voted for Brexit didn't know what they were doing.

So since you seem to know better than the Civil Ari Reception Authorities how to create a civil air regulation system to comply with international law please explain how you are proposing it is done... and that is explain presicley citing the relevant standards and laws because so far all you have done is waffle and wave your hands about saying that the people who do run it now don't know wha the are taking about.

That or stop waffling and admit defeat.
Mongs like this claim they knew what they were voting for
 
So now the people you think can suddenly create a UK Civil Aviation Regulator out of nothing are "stupid" or is if just the people who disagree with you.

You are proving that those who voted for Brexit didn't know what they were doing.

So since you seem to know better than the Civil Ari Reception Authorities how to create a civil air regulation system to comply with international law please explain how you are proposing it is done... and that is explain presicley citing the relevant standards and laws because so far all you have done is waffle and wave your hands about saying that the people who do run it now don't know wha the are taking about.

That or stop waffling and admit defeat.

Or, Now here’s a thought, him and his ilk are worried they might actually have to get off their arses, do a few less EU junkets and actually do a job?

Funny how the CAA managed before EUtopia as does much of the world outside EUtopia.

Vested interests will always fight for the status quo.*

*(Other rock groups are available)
 
Or, Now here’s a thought, him and his ilk are worried they might actually have to get off their arses, do a few less EU junkets and actually do a job?

Funny how the CAA managed before EUtopia as does much of the world outside EUtopia.

Vested interests will always fight for the status quo.*

*(Other rock groups are available)
Where's the money to expand the CAA rapidly coming from? In your professional opinion (stop laughing at the back) how long would it take?
 
Aviation and why the CAA frother was talking pooh comparing us to Uganda.

1) London remains the world’s best connected attractive destination.

2) The UK has the second largest aerospace sector in the world, generating a turnover of £65bn a year and supplying markets across the world.

3) We have the world’s third best developed aviation network behind the USA And China.

4) Britain and France do two thirds of the safety rule making for EASA.

5) Britain and France undertake 90% of EASAs outsourced activities.


A deal will be done. And the Euros are not holding all the aces.
 
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Aviation and why the CAA frother was talking pooh

1) London remains the world’s best connected attractive destination.

2) The UK has the second largest aerospace sector in the world, generating a turnover of £65bn a year and supplying markets across the world.

3) We have the world’s third best developed aviation network behind the USA And China.

A deal will be done. And the Euros are not holding all the aces.
Rattled off with the confidence of the truly ignorant.
 
Or, Now here’s a thought, him and his ilk are worried they might actually have to get off their arses, do a few less EU junkets and actually do a job?
Funny how the CAA managed before EUtopia as does much of the world outside EUtopia.
Vested interests will always fight for the status quo.*)
Hello Stupid.

Before EASA the CAA were MUCH larger. they are now about 1/4 the size they need to be to be stand alone. The reason being is the EASA HQ does the admin etc for 33 countries. So theCAA costs us a lot less and the UK's share of the running costs of EASA are much lower than running our own. How are you going to finance this?

You need a LOT of training and signed off experience... it's all legal regulations not stuck you can negotiate out of. This is why all the UK airlines have said that any flights booked for after 29 March 2019 may be cancelled *without any compensation* They don't have pay any compensation as if the UK voluntarily leaves EASA without something legally equivalent in place all the insurance and certifications are invalid. As the UK voluntarily removed all the cover they can't fly but it is not their fault and all the inruances and agreements on flights etc are also null and void.

BTW The people I was talking to are UK based. They don't do junkets to Europe. However as you mention it with a standalone CAA they are going to get "junkets" around the whole world to do the bilateral agreements with other Air Regulators. So MORE travel not less.

SO yet again not only do you show you don't have a clue how any of this works you attack the people you are expecting to fix the problem. A problem that they say is not fixable in less than 5-10 years.

Again you wave your arms and flap casting aspersions on people who do know. So exactly how would you sort out the Civil aviation problem that the UK, US and European Regulators say is not fixable in under 5 years at a minimum. You have b=been challenged to come up with an answer several times and all you do is sound like Jeremy Corbyn promising it will all be alright,
 
Hello Stupid.

Before EASA the CAA were MUCH larger. they are now about 1/4 the size they need to be to be stand alone. The reason being is the EASA HQ does the admin etc for 33 countries. So theCAA costs us a lot less and the UK's share of the running costs of EASA are much lower than running our own. How are you going to finance this?

You need a LOT of training and signed off experience... it's all legal regulations not stuck you can negotiate out of. This is why all the UK airlines have said that any flights booked for after 29 March 2019 may be cancelled *without any compensation* They don't have pay any compensation as if the UK voluntarily leaves EASA without something legally equivalent in place all the insurance and certifications are invalid. As the UK voluntarily removed all the cover they can't fly but it is not their fault and all the inruances and agreements on flights etc are also null and void.

BTW The people I was talking to are UK based. They don't do junkets to Europe. However as you mention it with a standalone CAA they are going to get "junkets" around the whole world to do the bilateral agreements with other Air Regulators. So MORE travel not less.

SO yet again not only do you show you don't have a clue how any of this works you attack the people you are expecting to fix the problem. A problem that they say is not fixable in less than 5-10 years.

Again you wave your arms and flap casting aspersions on people who do know. So exactly how would you sort out the Civil aviation problem that the UK, US and European Regulators say is not fixable in under 5 years at a minimum. You have b=been challenged to come up with an answer several times and all you do is sound like Jeremy Corbyn promising it will all be alright,

You are arguing furiously that the status quo must be retained, you are wrong.
EASA needs us , a deal will be done that suits us.
 
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