Brexit Phase Two - Trade

Given a couple of really cold winters and the limited attention span of some. Could it be that in the future, some bright spark, given how well our transition period is going, suggests a slightly more formal arrangement.

Like signing up for formal inclusion in some sort of single market and customs union for trading purposes and citizen travel.

To be fair, we don't actually have a transition phase agreed at the moment. Maybe in late March.
 

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1. If we remain in transition after the end of the current EU budget in Dec 20202, as HMG appears to be asking (and is not guaranteed) then, of course, further payments will be necessary. That should be obvious.

2. UK success after Brexit (if it ever happens) will require a deep and special relationship with the EU (as PMTM keeps saying) which will be obliged to look remarkably like the deep and special relationship we already have.

Happy now?
1. Not obvious at all. We leave the EU on 29 Mar 19, any agreement, transition/ implementation period is out of the EU, which is why in places the agreement will read EU and UK. The payments mentioned are those agreed as part of the divorce settlement, and that has been offered but not agreed yet. Could be more, could be less - who knows? That is what the negotiations are all about.

2. Is what Brexiteers have been asking for, out of the EU, no payments of grossly inflated sums of money, not subject to ECJ and a trading agreement with the EU member states. It can look whatever it likes as long as we are not controlled by Brussels - the member states seem to be agreeing also, even if M Barnier still says "Non".
 
1. Not obvious at all. We leave the EU on 29 Mar 19, any agreement, transition/ implementation period is out of the EU, which is why in places the agreement will read EU and UK. The payments mentioned are those agreed as part of the divorce settlement, and that has been offered but not agreed yet. Could be more, could be less - who knows? That is what the negotiations are all about.

2. Is what Brexiteers have been asking for, out of the EU, no payments of grossly inflated sums of money, not subject to ECJ and a trading agreement with the EU member states. It can look whatever it likes as long as we are not controlled by Brussels - the member states seem to be agreeing also, even if M Barnier still says "Non".

I'm afraid you are deluding yourself.
 

Exactly. I'm expecting very little from Chequers tomorrow. If the UK wants a longer transition and it should be perfectly obvious that it needs one, then further payments will be necessary.

It's time the fantasies were put down.
 

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Exactly. I'm expecting very little from Chequers tomorrow. If the UK wants a longer transition and it should be perfectly obvious that it needs one, then further payments will be necessary.

It's time the fantasies were put down.
A lot of the fantasies are rapidly being put to bed. The Remainiacs are having to stop their second referendum/cancellation of art 50 dreams and realise that Brexit is happening.
 
A lot of the fantasies are rapidly being put to bed. The Remainiacs are having to stop their second referendum/cancellation of art 50 dreams and realise that Brexit is happening.

Which version of Brexit are you dreaming about?

I'm not arguing for a second referendum, btw. At least, not yet.
 
Given a couple of really cold winters and the limited attention span of some. Could it be that in the future, some bright spark, given how well our transition period is going, suggests a slightly more formal arrangement.

Like signing up for formal inclusion in some sort of single market and customs union for trading purposes and citizen travel.
Which is a reversion of sort to the concept of remaining in the EEA. Like wot was proposed!!
 
During a transition period (and the object of that document is to make the date of Dec 2020 "negotiable" as pointed out in square brackets) is that UK will abide by the rights and obligations of being an EU member including free movement and payment into the EU. @Auld-Yin you seem to read things totally different to everyone else. Go and read the press (even the pro-Brexit ones) and then come back with your take on it.
In fact, they are saying the "divorce" bill will actually increase if the transition period goes on any longer.
I also like the way you read "The UK agrees with the EU proposal for a Joint Committee" as being a major victory for the UK.

You also get that we will keep the free trade but will not have to abide by payments and free movement.
Yeah, right.
 
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1. Not obvious at all. We leave the EU on 29 Mar 19, any agreement, transition/ implementation period is out of the EU, which is why in places the agreement will read EU and UK. The payments mentioned are those agreed as part of the divorce settlement, and that has been offered but not agreed yet. Could be more, could be less - who knows? That is what the negotiations are all about.

2. Is what Brexiteers have been asking for, out of the EU, no payments of grossly inflated sums of money, not subject to ECJ and a trading agreement with the EU member states. It can look whatever it likes as long as we are not controlled by Brussels - the member states seem to be agreeing also, even if M Barnier still says "Non".
Incorrect.

1. EU law will continue to apply. In fact, it will continue to apply so much, we are willing to change our own domestic policy to incorporate it (See 6).

2. There will be no trading agreements until the transition period is agreed. Which, in turn, will not be agreed until the issues from Phase 1 are agreed.

Take your blinkers off. =D

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Only a fool would say that 37 million citizens of this country, who have freely made up their own mind, are stupid.

Others have described them as uneducated, mongs,etc.

The referendum result was overwhelming for leaving the EU, it simply can't be spun any other way.

Some of the remainers on this site are putting forward coherent and sensible arguments, but sadly some are out of their depth and seem only capable of posting abuse against those who they disagree with.
 
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