Brexit Phase Two - Trade

Joker62

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Joker62

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1, it was a joke......2, there are no bogs near where I live, we're culchies, rednecks etc, I can't take you seriously unless you get your insults geographically appropriate...
He makes others Brexshitters look coherent. Wibbles at international standard.
 
Anything about trade yet? Anything at all?

No. The trade talks will begin after the summit in late March regarding the transitional arrangement.

This is something HMG agreed to last summer.

Of course, it's going to be frictionless and deep and special. Which sounds rather pornographic but without any satisfaction.

(I reckon I may have hit upon an impotent Brexit analogy.)
 

Auld-Yin

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Hmmmm. Reading that proposal paper, and I am not a lawyer so this is just my take on it, if agreed as it stands then we will be in the position of having left the EU on 29 March 2019, we will no longer have any payments to make and have access to the EU markets. It looks very much like the agreement Brexiteers were asking for at the referendum, leave the EU but have access as before. Job jobbed!

The nice bit is where it is suggested that the arrangements for oversight of the agreement, once we have left the EU, be carried out by a committee from the EU and UK. Brilliant if they get away with that as it will but out or emasculate at least the ECJ,

Still only a discussion paper but one that favours us greatly while making it look like the EU are in charge. Good old fashioned British compromise, on our terms!
 

skid2

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Given a couple of really cold winters and the limited attention span of some. Could it be that in the future, some bright spark, given how well our transition period is going, suggests a slightly more formal arrangement.

Like signing up for formal inclusion in some sort of single market and customs union for trading purposes and citizen travel.
 
Hmmmm. Reading that proposal paper, and I am not a lawyer so this is just my take on it, if agreed as it stands then we will be in the position of having left the EU on 29 March 2019, we will no longer have any payments to make and have access to the EU markets. It looks very much like the agreement Brexiteers were asking for at the referendum, leave the EU but have access as before. Job jobbed!

The nice bit is where it is suggested that the arrangements for oversight of the agreement, once we have left the EU, be carried out by a committee from the EU and UK. Brilliant if they get away with that as it will but out or emasculate at least the ECJ,

Still only a discussion paper but one that favours us greatly while making it look like the EU are in charge. Good old fashioned British compromise, on our terms!

Then you haven't read it correctly. Payments will continue. If the transition period continues beyond Dec 2020, which it probably will, since it's the UK suggesting it, then further payments will be made.

You're being softened up for a much longer transition. I like the idea of a joint committee, but then we already have one.

I'm struggling to understand your reading of what is clearly a UK failure.

Obviously, I should mention that the UK failure may well be part of the strategy.
 

Auld-Yin

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Then you haven't read it correctly. Payments will continue. If the transition period continues beyond Dec 2020, which it probably will, since it's the UK suggesting it, then further payments will be made.

You're being softened up for a much longer transition. I like the idea of a joint committee, but then we already have one.

I'm struggling to understand your reading of what is clearly a UK failure.

Obviously, I should mention that the UK failure may well be part of the strategy.
It is talking about after we have left. Where does it say we continue with payments? Genuine question as I may have missed it.

I don't see how you can claim this as a UK failure - other than that is what you were looking for so can't see success if it stood up and bit you!

What therefore would you classed as UK success after leaving the EU?

Note that there are two questions for you to answer here - thought I would say that as you have had problems in answering questions previously.
 
It is talking about after we have left. Where does it say we continue with payments? Genuine question as I may have missed it.

I don't see how you can claim this as a UK failure - other than that is what you were looking for so can't see success if it stood up and bit you!

What therefore would you classed as UK success after leaving the EU?

Note that there are two questions for you to answer here - thought I would say that as you have had problems in answering questions previously.
1. If we remain in transition after the end of the current EU budget in Dec 20202, as HMG appears to be asking (and is not guaranteed) then, of course, further payments will be necessary. That should be obvious.

2. UK success after Brexit (if it ever happens) will require a deep and special relationship with the EU (as PMTM keeps saying) which will be obliged to look remarkably like the deep and special relationship we already have.

Happy now?
 
In other words you voted to tear down the temple but you're likely to get something remarkably similar to the status quo ante.

You will get a blue passport and a different gang of immigrants.

But then you could have had that anyway.
 

Joker62

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Given a couple of really cold winters and the limited attention span of some. Could it be that in the future, some bright spark, given how well our transition period is going, suggests a slightly more formal arrangement.

Like signing up for formal inclusion in some sort of single market and customs union for trading purposes and citizen travel.
No, because once out, it'll cost twice as much and we'll be forced into the Euro.
 
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