Brexit Phase Two - Trade

skid2

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Corbyn is not electable, unless reckon the electorates are that stupid. They've taught the Politicians a lesson already. Mind they have bought enough votes. According to PE they're at it again
That explains it. Stupid electorate how can you say such a thing. As has been regularly pointed out here, our electorate are well read, literate, politically aware and fully conversant with all the issues.

And they think Corbyn is a viable proposition. It just goes to show how bad things are.
 

skid2

LE
Book Reviewer
Ah now that is an intriguing question and not just limited to the Brexit debate. Arguably the great work USSR/Russian mentality has been doing since 1945. In that respect Churchill was Prescient
Sitting talking with Republicans from a campaign which ended 20 years ago and ended in failure for them. That didn’t seem to do him any harm with most of the voters who had no idea who Adams and McGuinness were. And now allegedly talking to a foreign intelligence officer from that overwhelming socialist colossus Czechoslovakia. Oooooooooh scary, that’s his reputation ruined.
 

Wordsmith

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Book Reviewer
One cannot help but notice how Brexit has largely faded from the media headlines. Indicating that it's now largely been accepted - passively or otherwise - by the bulk of the UK population.

I don't think the large volume of noise being produced by the usual suspects is representative of a broader concern in the electorate.

Wordsmith
 
One cannot help but notice how Brexit has largely faded from the media headlines. Indicating that it's now largely been accepted - passively or otherwise - by the bulk of the UK population.

I don't think the large volume of noise being produced by the usual suspects is representative of a broader concern in the electorate.

Wordsmith
I think a large % are just bored of reading:

Government chaos
Businesses say they need action now, or.. something bad
Bankers want action now, or something bad
Someone else says disaster
Pound goes up
Pound goes down
Farmers want money
NI border - no change
Red lines, red lines, red lines
EU want more information
Agency says government does nothing
EU nasty

over and over again for a year. This no longer sells newspapers regardless of public acceptance or otherwise - just look at the click-bait desperation of the Express headlines.
 
I think a large % are just bored of reading:

Government chaos
Businesses say they need action now, or.. something bad
Bankers want action now, or something bad
Someone else says disaster
Pound goes up
Pound goes down
Farmers want money
NI border - no change
Red lines, red lines, red lines
EU want more information
Agency says government does nothing
EU nasty

over and over again for a year. This no longer sells newspapers regardless of public acceptance or otherwise - just look at the click-bait desperation of the Express headlines.
I think it's still fairly important news, although the public are certainly tired of the whole thing.

The RoW either doesn't care or laughs at the UK
 
I think the political dynamics are fascinating and it continues to be one of the best shows in town.
 

Wordsmith

LE
Book Reviewer
I think a large % are just bored of reading:

Government chaos
Businesses say they need action now, or.. something bad

[Snipped for brevity]

Agency says government does nothing
EU nasty

over and over again for a year. This no longer sells newspapers regardless of public acceptance or otherwise - just look at the click-bait desperation of the Express headlines.
What's concerned me most is the low standard of debate/analysis from both sides in this argument. As I've said before, both politicians and political commentators seems to be doing the electorate a disservice by often reducing the debate to a 'Janet and John' level without having a more nuanced discussion.

I don't think much of people on both sides of the argument who adopt a 'four legs good, two legs bad' approach to the debate. This is the single most significant political change for a generation - the UK public have a right to expect a more analytical/less hysterical approach from both sides - they're not getting it.

Wordsmith
 
That explains it. Stupid electorate how can you say such a thing. As has been regularly pointed out here, our electorate are well read, literate, politically aware and fully conversant with all the issues.

And they think Corbyn is a viable proposition. It just goes to show how bad things are.
I call a bite. You've just shot yourself in the foot. The electorate were stupid to vote out so they must be stupid enough to vote Labour to rescue the situation. Indeed we are literate, politically aware, we don't trust politicians and we are conversant with many issues as is indicated on this thread. It is the elites that have called the electorate stupid
I think the political dynamics are fascinating and it continues to be one of the best shows in town.
Amen to that.
 
I call a bite. You've just shot yourself in the foot. The electorate were stupid to vote out so they must be stupid enough to vote Labour to rescue the situation. Indeed we are literate, politically aware, we don't trust politicians and we are conversant with many issues as is indicated on this thread. It is the elites that have called the electorate stupid

Amen to that.

You'd need to balance the Brexit shock delivered in 2016 with the collective decision in 2017 to impose a hung Parliament.
 

Wordsmith

LE
Book Reviewer
Just to show some of the inherent problems in the EU.

'Italians First': Anti-immigrant sentiment becomes the focus of country's election
“Italians First” is the defining catchphrase of 2018 Italian election. In the race between a centre-left coalition, the anti-establishment 5-Star Movement (5SM) and a right-wing collation, the slogan can be heard repeatedly.

Final polls published two weeks before the 4 March vote have the right-wing coalition – led by former prime minister Silvio Berlusconi and hs Forza Italia party and including two anti-migrant parties, the Northern League and the smaller Brothers of Italy – out in front, but short of the around 40 per cent that will be required for a working majority. The 5SM are the single biggest party at around 28 per cent, while the centre-left grouping led by the governing Democratic Party (PD) has a similar share.
Just to pick up on some of the points from this article:

1) High profile deportation of immigrants will just serve to highlight the many millions of them elsewhere in the EU.
2) How the hell has Silvio Berlusconi made a comeback? His shenanigans last time he was in office would have ended his political career in many European countries.
3) 5SM - an anti-EU and anti-euro party - may well end up holding the balance of power.
4) Although not mentioned in this article, Italy has plans to game the euro for its own benefit - much like the Germans have done for years. Which will do the euro more favours.

Italy looks set to become a problem child for Brussels whoever wins the upcoming GE in March.

Wordsmith
 

Wordsmith

LE
Book Reviewer
You'd need to balance the Brexit shock delivered in 2016 with the collective decision in 2017 to impose a hung Parliament.
More to do with May's inadequacies than anything else. She went into the campaign with a 20 point lead over Corbyn and managed to blow it by disappearing from view whenever there was trouble in the campaign. That included ducking out of the last TV debate - which looked weak, stupid and I've always thought cost her half a dozen marginals when it influenced undecided voters in those seats.

Wordsmith
 
More to do with May's inadequacies than anything else. She went into the campaign with a 20 point lead over Corbyn and managed to blow it by disappearing from view whenever there was trouble in the campaign. That included ducking out of the last TV debate - which looked weak, stupid and I've always thought cost her half a dozen marginals when it influenced undecided voters in those seats.

Wordsmith
I'd call it a manifestation of the traditional Tory divisions over Europe. Labour has the same problem and time is running out for both parties to come to some sort of agreed position.

Perhaps the Tories will achieve it at Chequers and we'll have to see what rabbit Labour then pulls out of a hat. (Vague references to clarity and carrots are to be expected.)
 
Thank you- in other words a fait accompli as I've pointed out.

When they alter their timetable to show Amsterdam I'll believe it. You can buy tickets to London from Amsterdam, and always could, I bought tickets to Hamburg. It involved Eurostar, Thalys and ICE. French have always viewed the Eurostar as a Pan european and domestic service. The Belgians have facilities under the Sandgatte treaty as well as the CTA channel tunnel act. However running a through train has often been mentioned and dropped as the timings are not competititive with air. The same happened on the Proposal to run it from Birmingham. So to recap- you can buy tickets to anywhere from St P or anywhere else it just won't be a through service.
Have a look tomorrow (Tuesday 20 Feb).
Trains to the Netherlands | Netherlands train tickets | Eurostar
 
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