Brexit Phase Two - Trade

So does anyone expect a less vacuous brexit speech than we are used to seeing from PMTM in a couple of weeks?
 
I thought you were foreign?

Why are you wearing the achievements of your betters?
He is, That's why he thinks the brave knights in armour of the non-existent United Kingdom were conquering far flung lands and introducing their brand of representative democracy some 50 years before William the Bastard came over from that horrible EU place.
 

Auld-Yin

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Is 300 years of HMG Foreign Policy your only reason to wish for the prevention of a USE?

Has the relationship between member states (and the UK) really remained the same in hundreds of years?

There are different reasons that some nations may have to not want to be involved, but ancient history shouldn't be the main one.
'Those who do not learn history are doomed to repeat it.' The quote is most likely due to writer and philosopher George Santayana
Seems apt.
 

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The EU believes the proles vote with their hearts and can’t be trusted to vote sensibly, so their ‘solution’ is appointed technocrat experts to rule us for our own good.
Its also now a case of survival. The political aspects of the EU could be reversed. However, there is no legal way to reverse euro membership. And even if you could, the costs would be horrendous. Any exiting country would undergo severe economic turbulence and very high borrowing costs. Borrowing costs would also rocket for the weaker meaning members of the euro as speculators priced in their eventual exit.

The financial liabilities of Germany under Target2 are horrendous and would trash their economy for good measure.

The euro barely survived the last recession. It won't survive the next one in its present form. As such, the attempts to move towards a federal Europe should also be seen as self preservation. Unless they can shore up the euro prior to the next recession, the member states are going to be royally fornicated.

Wordsmith
 
Its also now a case of survival. The political aspects of the EU could be reversed. However, there is no legal way to reverse euro membership. And even if you could, the costs would be horrendous. Any exiting country would undergo severe economic turbulence and very high borrowing costs. Borrowing costs would also rocket for the weaker meaning members of the euro as speculators priced in their eventual exit.

The financial liabilities of Germany under Target2 are horrendous and would trash their economy for good measure.

The euro barely survived the last recession. It won't survive the next one in its present form. As such, the attempts to move towards a federal Europe should also be seen as self preservation. Unless they can shore up the euro prior to the next recession, the member states are going to be royally fornicated.

Wordsmith

Indeed,

But what’s interesting is even in Germany, that most European of EU members, over a few beers, you often hear misgivings about the EU and the way it’s heading.

So why don’t you vote no?

We can’t

Course you can

We cannot, it’s our history, we must be seen to be good Europeans.

I can’t see where a people with many of them feeling strongarmed into something as some sort of reparations for what happened 70 odd years ago, could possibly end in tears.....
What’s that? AfD you say?
 

Auld-Yin

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So does anyone expect a less vacuous brexit speech than we are used to seeing from PMTM in a couple of weeks?
Why on earth should she do other than let us know how it is going. Anything else just plays right into the hands of the EU by revealing the negotiating stance prior to sitting down at the table.

There is absolutely no requirement for us, the herd, to know all that is going on and the requirement for the HofC to know comes down to how far do you think May trusts them to keep confidential material confidential!
 
Why on earth should she do other than let us know how it is going. Anything else just plays right into the hands of the EU by revealing the negotiating stance prior to sitting down at the table.

There is absolutely no requirement for us, the herd, to know all that is going on and the requirement for the HofC to know comes down to how far do you think May trusts them to keep confidential material confidential!
We've been sat at the table for a year.

How can you negotiate without any objectives?

The government can't decide what it wants.

You unquestioning deference to power is concerning
 
You think that one can hear in a hard vacuum?

Typically ignorant there
You're probably getting confused with trees in forests or summat. You're usually confused,you dim bint.
 

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