Brexit Phase Two - Trade

The post was directed at @Brotherton Lad, who could be considered ever so slightly more pro EU than yourself, and perhaps able to offer a 'Remainer' perspective.

Thanks for your predictable response, though.
He's nothing if not predictable.

Slavishly believing that the most incompetent government in living memory is playing a blinder
 
The post was directed at @Brotherton Lad, who could be considered ever so slightly more pro EU than yourself, and perhaps able to offer a 'Remainer' perspective.

Thanks for your predictable response, though.

Hang on. Only just back home, I have a day job on Tuesdays.

I'm pro-EU in as far as I'm not sufficiently eurosceptic to think leaving worth the wasted time, money and emotion. The lack of progress to date suggests that's a common view in Whitehall and Westminster, too.
 
You might if you suddenly find yourself full of exploded nails, or your limbs in different postcodes
I worry about your vivid imagination.8O
I would be more pissed off than worried.
 

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He's nothing if not predictable.

Slavishly believing that the most incompetent government in living memory is playing a blinder
And you sir are starting to sound like

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Is 300 years of HMG Foreign Policy your only reason to wish for the prevention of a USE?

Has the relationship between member states (and the UK) really remained the same in hundreds of years?

There are different reasons that some nations may have to not want to be involved, but ancient history shouldn't be the main one.
I don't especially have a wish to prevent a USE. It's that I don't see it happening any time soon and think the prospect of it has been exaggerated so as to create a bogeyman for the man on the Clapham omnibus.

Even if it were to happen it would not include the UK and several of the other 'outer' states, so there would probably, in some distant future, be an inner and outer structure (or a two-speed Europe or a balance of power in older terminology).

As for ancient history I agree that the UK's policies are designed to secure our shared values with our European partners but am not aware of any particular FCO concerns about a USE.

https://www.gov.uk/government/uploa...ign_policy__defence_and_development_paper.pdf

(Not that any concerns would be published in such a document.)
 
The EU crowd, as you call it, do not need to know - indeed they should be the last to know. Why do you think Barnier keeps asking for it? He wants us to show our hand FFS.

The EU want us to tell them what we want from them. How about the EU offering something for a change. You all seem to support this unilateral form of negotiating, just as long as the UK come off worse.
Long hours at the moment, so not much from me on this thread, but I thought the EU have stated their position; we might not like it, but it has been stated.

Now, they are being driven into the workings of the EU - including a 5% drop in payroll last year with another 5% drop proposed this year - I found that this morning, sorry if re-posting, increases in payments by all members, and cuts to a lot of auxiliary activity as well as funding the nascent Euro5Bn common EU defence equipment, They are taking the hit but they are not taking it laying down - now some of us might not like that fact, but it is a fact.

Another hour of work then finished and Zzzzz's time, have fun all and play nice.
 
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