Brexit Phase Two - Trade

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The best 'killing time' is just after her plan gets voted down.
Tory MP's seem to be in 'rabbit in the headlight' mode - seeing the truck rushing towards them, but unable to move. May is going to leave the Tory party with a very toxic legacy, but MP's seem unwilling to bite the bullet and put someone in place who could sort out the mess.

The only saving grace for the Tories is that the agreed plan is running into big difficulties in the EU as well - if it's rejected there first, May could be off the hook. If - the other hand - the EU comes back with a big list of further concessions required to get an agreement, May will have been well shafted by the EU.

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I suspect the actual trade deal will be equally awful.
well of course it will, question is for which side. Treasury has already put it's eggs in the electric vehicle market so that will screw the German car market. JLR can move without too much damage, then the British can get back to normal and tax us to the hilt for owning things, (in the interest of the Planet). The Germans will shut down RR and Bentley and because these are signs of Imperialism, Labour would probably agree. Then we'll all be cave dwellers. Fer Christ sake. The end of the world is nigh but don't worry. Like this piece of ineptitude.
We're supposed to halve our cattle and Ovine output because of greenhouse gasses. Farmers mustn't feed livestock so many antibiotics- well the demand will halve, but Pork's OK except our Muslim communities won't eat Pork. No mention if Europe will follow suit. And you say Brexiteers should have had a plan whilst @ Amazing Lobster wants to kill off all the Brexiteers. Next
 
Been locked into EU decisions for a period is a steaming pile, but a price worth paying to give us some breathing time, in a country that is very tired after two years of fear and bitterness.. I also think it isn't a bad idea from a strategic point of view.

The EU will now be driving forward again, in our country that brexit escalator of the newest crisis today will fade, every bad headline between now and the next couple of years for the EU will slowly remind the people why they wanted to exit. Each passing day it makes it less and less likely we will ever go back to remain.

Remainers are starting to flap, because the cleverer ones realise this is the time and only time to turn the clock back.
An interesting take on the situation. If that is the case it would only work if the UK were not locked in to the EU on matters such as the Customs Union, ECJ, etc etc with the EU having the power to block UK decisions.
 
Because the people didn't know what they were voting for and voted the wrong way, hence remainers want another 'people's vote' to give them a chance to vote the right way
Russians.
 
Apologies if someone beat me to it:
Carole 'Correction' Cadwalladr -
Keep an eye on this woman.
Her twitter feed is hilarious if you want a peek inside the brain of someone on the verge of losing all sense, although you just read some of the belters on here:cool:
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An interesting take on the situation. If that is the case it would only work if the UK were not locked in to the EU on matters such as the Customs Union, ECJ, etc etc with the EU having the power to block UK decisions.
The argument is simply based on an understanding of how the EU operates... They will begin to gradually drift away from us and the next treaty change, or major rule they implement and inevitably derogate democracy to push through, with lots of anger on the continent will serve our purposes. Lots of lovely protests and ire..

By default the further the EU push, they will have invalidated any deal we signed by default and we can cut the cord and screw them. Its just a matter of time and patience.
 
An interesting take on the situation. If that is the case it would only work if the UK were not locked in to the EU on matters such as the Customs Union, ECJ, etc etc with the EU having the power to block UK decisions.
It really will be minimal if you think about it. The ECJ will be last port of arbitration and we can still challenge them and it's for a limited time. There can be disagreement between the two sides. It's also a tool they won't want to use that much under the level playing field principle, if we're placed at a disadvantage we can still yell. The real crunch will come if the ECJ is brought into play about the Backstop. The argument is circulating that the CU will be locked for perpetuity. But Barnier is at pains to point out that it's not. He may be lying of course. If he is then Parliament can bin the agreement. As long as the EU can't prevent us from doing our own thing-and I don't think they can anyway everyone should be happy.

AFAIAC If The Government thinks we should pay 39 Billion for our liabilities and the EU want to call that the divorce bill to save face. that is irrelevant.
Juncker said we couldn't stay in the Customs Union-we stay in til 2022, that's a climb down from the EU. Trade agreements could mean we stay in or have two way compliance or have GSP/MFN status. Either way they've lost.
So they make a meal about the backstop. Bottom Line if Ireland misbehaves toward us the EU is our backstop and that will cost them. It's something they time have failed to come to grips with since '73. Technically they owe us big time. As such the Irish no longer have a border with us the EU do and I now favour the removal of Ireland from the CTA agreements. Removal of Irish rights to vote in General elections would be one result as would residency rights.
 
Those of you who caught my posts from the London Stock Exchange the other week will note the CEO of the LSE talked about the tie up between LSE and the Shanghai Stock Exchange. This is all well under way.

BREXIT is not a major problem - it is a myth propagated by Europhiles and the Biased Broadcasting Corporation, people scared by change, and those whose snout will be removed from the taxpayers trough.

Crack on and get the f@@k out of there.
 
The argument is simply based on an understanding of how the EU operates... They will begin to gradually drift away from us and the next treaty change, or major rule they implement and inevitably derogate democracy to push through, with lots of anger on the continent will serve our purposes. Lots of lovely protests and ire..

By default the further the EU push, they will have invalidated any deal we signed by default and we can cut the cord and screw them. Its just a matter of time and patience.
Judging by the 'premature ejaculations' from France and Germany about an army you may well be right. The crucial thing is not to have any part of the UK's withdrawal have EU veto in any agreement.
 
Some folk here have been saying that Scotland is on its way out of the UK because of Brexit, well the latest opinion poll seems to disagree, where 60 per cent of Scottish voters aged 16 and over would choose to stay in the UK and just 40 per cent would choose to leave.
I think people are starting to thing the UK will act like the EU. If Scotland leaves the club and the exit aggrandisement will not be in favour of Scotland. It will be hard ball all the way and the idea of 12% of UK assets is not a given. They might end up leaving with nothing, and decades of financial liabilities.

Or maybe people just think the SNP are full of sh1te. Either or really
 
I'm sensing a hint of despair and floundering.
Don't be so impatient...

If we can't exit europe through the front door, we will have to wait in an ante room on a naughty step whilst the EU plows on upsetting national sensibilities across europe. Time and patience, call it continental drift but the union will find themselves in another crisis and that is our moment to cut the final cord.
 
I think people are starting to thing the UK will act like the EU. If Scotland leaves the club and the exit aggrandisement will not be in favour of Scotland. It will be hard ball all the way and the idea of 12% of UK assets is not a given. They might end up leaving with nothing, and decades of financial liabilities.

Or maybe people just think the SNP are full of sh1te. Either or really
Scotland is a vital part of the United Kingdom and a makeweight to london dominance and I would be very sad if the SNP ever won its referendum... Sad for the english and even more sad for scotland.

Its interesting how republican, welsh and scottish nationalists are good guys and the DUP and English nationalist are bad. Odd that. One would think it hypocritical, to make a distinction.
 
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