Brexit Phase Two - Trade

Regardless of what does happen the EU as we know it is going to change massively when the UK leaves. I can't recall the exact details but the whole set up of a two tier EU revolves around voting blocs, Germany was always kept 'in charge' by having the backing of the rest of the 'upper tier' partners to vote down any proposal that the rest (Southern+ Eastern) members put forward they didn't like

Wit the UK leaving (with it's vital vote) that 'upper tier' voting bloc will be now be in the minority, Eastern member states will now be able to pass through financial schemes, spending plans etc etc and Germany et al will be able to do nothing about it.

The new EU is coming, it's going to be radically different. Get prepared for upheaval and chaos like you've never seen. Germany+co are going to get what they have been dishing out to Greece etc

2 million refugees and a radical EU-wide power shift in social, financial+economic strategy to Eastern/Southern Europe, it's going to be an interesting time.
 
Gen Dit: Had a conversation with another season ticket holder I sit next to down the Rec this afternoon at half time against Northampton;
Me; So what do you think of the current situation with Brexit?
Him; It's a disaster, I'm in the Wine import business have been all my life. We've ( him and his wife) always been Europeans at heart. We are seriously thinking of jacking the whole thing in and shutting the business down.
Me; You don't you import wines from elsewhere in the World then... Chile, South Africa, Oz?
Him: No. Just Italy.
Me: So how much do you reckon your going to have to add under WTO for Tariffs?
Him: No idea! ( He's got no idea what the WTO tariff is, but he's decided It'll end his business! Huh?)…..
Me: I shouldn't think it would be too much. I've always thought across the board that Italian wines were quite competitive anyway, when compared to other European and world wines.
Him: Oh we don't import £6-£9.00 bottles of plonk. We taste, source and buy fine wines from Italy for Waitrose. You know, £25 and up? ( No, I don't know £25 bottles of wine...£6 tops!)
Me: So if the tariff's say 10% and your £25 Bottle becomes say £27.50 ish, the sort of people who spend that amount on a bottle of wine are going to bulk at the addition of a couple of quid are they..... or do you expect rich people to become extinct in this country after Brexit?

He's not speaking to me anymore. He's got the project fear worm in his ear.
 

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Regardless of what does happen the EU as we know it is going to change massively when the UK leaves. I can't recall the exact details but the whole set up of a two tier EU revolves around voting blocs, Germany was always kept 'in charge' by having the backing of the rest of the 'upper tier' partners to vote down any proposal that the rest (Southern+ Eastern) members put forward they didn't like

Wit the UK leaving (with it's vital vote) that 'upper tier' voting bloc will be now be in the minority, Eastern member states will now be able to pass through financial schemes, spending plans etc etc and Germany et al will be able to do nothing about it.

The new EU is coming, it's going to be radically different. Get prepared for upheaval and chaos like you've never seen. Germany+co are going to get what they have been dishing out to Greece etc

2 million refugees and a radical EU-wide power shift in social, financial+economic strategy to Eastern/Southern Europe, it's going to be an interesting time.
No way the Krauts are going to hand over their money or prestige to southern and eastern countries. They will just change the rules.
 
An Englishman, Irishman and a Scotsman walk into a bar.

The Englishman wanted to leave, so they all had to go...
 

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I find @Auld-Yin rather intersting.

I’ve always found the fringes of the SNP supporters club some what whacko
Yeah but you're a proven liar and the site's McBugsy so it's largely safe to ignore your pish. I've met him and he's a good guy; his non-contributory stuff on Brexit is wearying.
 
The idea that rest of the world is just chomping at the bit to give the United Kingdom what it wants for nothing is a self-delusion.

Other nations who slammed their door on the EU will slam their door on Little Britain as well.

Anyone who voted leave has voted to make our country nothing more than a small island that no one really listens to.

Clearly English nationalism is not dead on this thread alone. Look how upset you all have gotten at me offering a different narrative. It’s causing some right hissy fits.

I was not as easily fooled by themes such as "sovereignty" and "taking back control". How dare I engage a bit of intelligence.

The 20+ year long anti-EU campaign by the right wing cheap larger drinkers has also convinced many of the "Evil EU Empire" meme.

How stupid are you Brexiteers to think that leaving the European Union means controlling the European Union from the outside?

The Westminster gravy train has been well and truly boosted by people like you voting for these Conservatives to improve their feudalist credentials at the expense of your own jingoism.

I wonder how many new taxes us Joe Slobs are going to have to pay to enjoy that pressure ... or pleasure if you're a masochist.

Fair enough if you want to believe the United Kingdom is the special snowflake in the world when compared to the deals the EU has gotten with forty non-EU nations around the world.

Oh and @British_And_Proud brexit has done more for the ridiculous notion of a UI than the shinners ever could.

Death by a 1000 paper cuts mate. You think this lot of right wing fan boys give a f*ck about Ulster?
We've now heard from the Irish Foreign Secretary that Brexit in NI is now tribal..ie Green people want to stay as close to the EU as possible and Orange people wish to remain as closely tied to the mainland as possible...

There is no threat to this countries place in the Union from Brexit.

Oh and Sinn Fein can go fcuk themselves if they want a border poll.
 
Regardless of what does happen the EU as we know it is going to change massively when the UK leaves. I can't recall the exact details but the whole set up of a two tier EU revolves around voting blocs, Germany was always kept 'in charge' by having the backing of the rest of the 'upper tier' partners to vote down any proposal that the rest (Southern+ Eastern) members put forward they didn't like

Wit the UK leaving (with it's vital vote) that 'upper tier' voting bloc will be now be in the minority, Eastern member states will now be able to pass through financial schemes, spending plans etc etc and Germany et al will be able to do nothing about it.

The new EU is coming, it's going to be radically different. Get prepared for upheaval and chaos like you've never seen. Germany+co are going to get what they have been dishing out to Greece etc

2 million refugees and a radical EU-wide power shift in social, financial+economic strategy to Eastern/Southern Europe, it's going to be an interesting time.
Another one fantasising about EU collapse to justify unparalleled stupidity and self harm.

It'll collapse any day now, right?
 
No way the Krauts are going to hand over their money or prestige to southern and eastern countries. They will just change the rules.
It's briefly summed up mainly under the policy change section

Impact of Brexit on the European Union - Wikipedia

Member state contribution sizes and budget decided by united Southern/Eastern nations. Methinks the Fatherland is going to get milked rather vigorously in the coming years
 
An Englishman, Irishman and a Scotsman walk into a bar.

The Englishman wanted to leave, so they all had to go...
Firstly, you’ve ignored the Welshman.

Secondly, I’m a Scotsman and want out as is @Auld-Yin. Just to confuse you even further. I want in in the U.K. and out of the EU. @Auld-Yin wants out of the U.K. and out of the EU. @Sixty wants out of the U.K. and in the EU. (Please note that his view is often guided by what party political line is being pushed and can be changed upon completion of the SNP party conference.

Here’s a joke for you. An Englishman, an Irishman, a Welshman and a Scotsman goninto a bar. They all share express their Democratic will in a decision making process that was promised over a decade earlier but never delivered. They teach a result. Some are happy. The some are sad. They mainly accept the group concessus except one who keeps whining like a small child that it’s all unfair and keeps making up fairy stories about how bad things will be.
 
Yeah but you're a proven liar and the site's McBugsy so it's largely safe to ignore your pish. I've met him and he's a good guy; his non-contributory stuff on Brexit is wearying.
I suspect a majority of leavers on this thread are otherwise decent folk, who've had their understandably above average patriotic fervour exploited to back this jingoistic, quasi-religious cult.

As I say psychologists and sociologists will be writing papers on this car crash for many years to come
 
Our Government has got form for awful negotiation tactics of late and it has never worked, and now it is obvious that not only did May have only bad tactics, but she had no strategy at all.

This indicates a failure of intelligence (both kinds) on the part of the U.K. and also an indication that the EU really do want to move things along and don’t particularly care what the U.K. do. also, they probably calculate that the U.K. won’t shoot itself when it finally comes to it. However, this does increase the likelihood of a No Deal Brexit even more.

Most of youon this thread that keep getting all upset are still looking at it from a UK-centric perspective , placing the onus on the EU to accommodate you in their grand ambitions to rekindle the British Empire.
It's about Trade, we need to trade with the EU, but it's not a mega deal, we trade with the rest of the World, we would like to do more trading with the rest of the World, if the EU decides in it's stupidity to "make us pay", so be it, but what they still have to realise is it works both ways.

I drive a car, it's a set of wheels, it's not a 'dick thing', it's a mode of transport, it's never been German, French or Italian, there are many people like me, who won't miss European cars, if the tarrifs are stupid however, I can assure you that, the German, French and,Italian Motor Industries will miss the UK markets more.

You wonder why, we are looking at it from a UK-centric perspective, could have something to do with the fact that we are British, and have our best interests at heart.

The EU are complacent, they don't want to move things along because, in their arrogance they really do think, we won't leave without a deal next March, and even more arrogantly believe it will be on their terms.

The other MS are shitting themselves, but can do nothing about it because the big hitters are running the show, that's what you get when you take the EU's 'silver' and sell your soul.

Do I think there will be a deal, hopefully but, it won't be the deal the EU thinks it will get.
 
Firstly, you’ve ignored the Welshman.

Secondly, I’m a Scotsman and want out as is @Auld-Yin. Just to confuse you even further. I want in in the U.K. and out of the EU. @Auld-Yin wants out of the U.K. and out of the EU. @Sixty wants out of the U.K. and in the EU. (Please note that his view is often guided by what party political line is being pushed and can be changed upon completion of the SNP party conference.

Here’s a joke for you. An Englishman, an Irishman, a Welshman and a Scotsman goninto a bar. They all share express their Democratic will in a decision making process that was promised over a decade earlier but never delivered. They teach a result. Some are happy. The some are sad. They mainly accept the group concessus except one who keeps whining like a small child that it’s all unfair and keeps making up fairy stories about how bad things will be.
You are a spewer of lies Andy wrt brexit and are the embodiment of the falsehoods that have landed us here.
 
We've now heard from the Irish Foreign Secretary that Brexit in NI is now tribal..ie Green people want to stay as close to the EU as possible and Orange people wish to remain as closely tied to the mainland as possible...

There is no threat to this countries place in the Union from Brexit.

Oh and Sinn Fein can go fcuk themselves if they want a border poll.
Enough Poles live near the boarder on both sides already
 
I think as well that you have to look past the headlines. If you don't then it sounds like overnight the UK will have a 40% sized hole. In fact because we don't live in a socialist utopia UK based companies can decide to either raise their prices if they have to pay new tariffs or they can source cheaper ones elsewhere. Customers can decide who to give their money to. If gaps appear then new companies will emerge to take advantage of them.

Eg with the sensational nonsense about BMW shutting down their UK business for a month of the first day of Brexit. When in fact they are simply moving their annual month-long maintenance shutdown to the first day after Brexit

The market will decide what happens in the long term, short term upheaval will create massive opportunities for those with the desire. The same thing has happened with every boom and bust.

The media/hard remainers seem to be under the impression that after a hard Brexit, companies will simply decide they no longer like money and will stop trading in the UK
I always ask people to quantify exports and imports from the EU in monetary terms. Percentages prove nothing !
 

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