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Auld-Yin

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Brexit would probably have focussed European minds a bit more if the UK had had the referendum first, and Cameron then gone to the EU with his wish list in the eventuality of a vote to leave.
That would have required a question that actually did not have us leaving. It would be something like "Should we leave the EU if the PM does not get a suitable response from the EU" That would leave so open to abuse, sorry, interpretation that we would never leave the EU and the EU could throw crumbs at Cameron and withdraw them later.

No, I think the referendum was the correct and only solution to the issue. The referendum was fine, it is the fück ups since then that are causing all the trouble!
 
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Keep your eye on the ball: Brexit: EU leaders 'almost unanimous' in support for second UK referendum - latest news .

Not going well over there eh.... Vote again and again until the idiots get it!
 
Vote again and again until the idiots get it!
So heartening to see someone so keen on democracy and the will of the people. Just as long as their will coincides with his, of course. I think there's a word for that...
 
That would have required a question that actually did not have us leabing. It would be something like "Should we leave the EU if the PM does not get a suitable response from the EU" That would leave suitable do open to abuse, sorry, interpretation that we would never leave the EU and the EU could throw crumbs at Cameron and withdraw them later.

No, I think the referendum was the correct and only solution to the issue. The referendum was fine, it is the fück ups since then that are causing all the trouble!
Brexit would probably have focussed European minds a bit more if the UK had had the referendum first, and Cameron then gone to the EU with his wish list in the eventuality of a vote to leave.
I can see the advantages of either approach but I feel we set about it the right way.

The major issue was David telling folk he expected to win in a 70/30 split. At least one EUropean claims that figure.

Just like we have folk saying we should vote to stay in if the deal is bad... What school of negotiating did they go to?
 
No, I think the referendum was the correct and only solution to the issue. The referendum was fine, it is the fück ups since then that are causing all the trouble!
The biggest feck up was the lack of early and effective planning for No Deal. That is squarely the responsibility of the Govt.

But, in some ways, the opposition have been worse. There wouldn't have been a GE last year, if the opposition had got behind the referendum result. The LibDems have acted against democracy, and they seek to be a mainstream Party. Funny how those opposed to democracy always want the word "democrat" in their title!

The good people of this country have shown more resolve than their elected MPs.
 

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Just up on the BBC website: Tusk: May's Brexit plan won't work

Maybe Mrs May might just start realising that her plan is dead, that the EU will not change anything and that real, hard and fast preparations be started now for the hard brexit that had been obvious for some time now.

Having said that, the EU are famous for last minute deals. Maybe this time they have left to too late.

May needs to downgrade the EU negotiating team and strengthen the Brexit team.
 

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The biggest feck up was the lack of early and effective planning for No Deal. That is squarely the responsibility of the Govt.
It also would have strengthened the government's negotiation hand. The EU are clearly rattled by the prospect of a hard Brexit.

Had preparations been put in place from the start so that it was a credible alternative to the EU's terms, I think the EU would have offered more concessions earlier in the negotiation process.

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Just up on the BBC website: Tusk: May's Brexit plan won't work

Maybe Mrs May might just start realising that her plan is dead, that the EU will not change anything and that real, hard and fast preparations be started now for the hard brexit that had been obvious for some time now.

Having said that, the EU are famous for last minute deals. Maybe this time they have left to too late.
Both sides are banking on the other backing down at the last minute.

I think a dapper gentleman in a purple cape and wearing 'essence of sulphur' aftershave has been carrying out shuttle diplomacy between the two teams of negotiators.

This could prove to be an EM masterpiece.

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Breaking: Irish source says Theresa May indicated during this morning's bilateral meeting with Leo Varadkar that she does not believe it is possible that a deal on the Irish backstop can be reached in time for the October European Council. [thread]
You know skid, in any normal circumstance both countries would have a normal Customs arrangement with no fear of one side constantly trying to shoot the other. Stuff it.
 
The non-worried EU want us to hold a second referendum so we don't leave the EU. Diddums...

Brexit: EU leaders 'almost unanimous' in support for second UK referendum - latest news


We'll be over the worst of our problems a few months after Brexit. The EU has huge problems on the horizon, which explains the anxiety about us leaving. Among other things we would have been a cash cow in the event of a eurozone failure in the next recession. In addition, if we prosper outside the EU, we might also catalyse other countries to leave.

Good luck to to the EU - should have given Call Me Dave meaningful concessions if you wanted to stop us leaving.

After March 29th, we'll be able to watch the slowly developing fuster cluck from the sidelines, secure in the knowledge we've insulated ourselves from a significant part of the pain.

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again no Problems, rescind Lisbon, disband the commission and the EP. If the referendum had those two proposals I wouldn't have a problem. Question does anyone on here trust the EU. Not like, favour TRUST.
 
I've no idea what you're talking about. But that makes two of I suspect. I was talking about boxheads turning to the AfD
You were talking about an optimal deal. Have you truly thought about what an optimal deal for the EU would be? Think you're getting more like manofmanynames with each passing day.

Autobluff is no way to go through life, Boris, Davis, Fox, Farage and Hannan have been shown to be empty vessels.
 

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When even the French are sticking the boot in.
That would have been Farage, Davis, Johnson, where’s Johnson?

I suspect Rees Mogg would have bailed out too, until he realised he’s the only one still around.

Macron: "Brexit is the choice of the British people... pushed by those who predicted easy solutions... Those people are liars. They left the next day so they didn’t have to manage it."

Oof. .



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