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Brexit Phase Two - Trade

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they must have been the wrong 150,000.
They held dummy referendum in a number of marginal constituencies. 150,000 people responded and nearly 90% of those would have voted to reject Lisbon. Had we had a referendum back then, there is little doubt which way the result would have gone, although I the majority in favour of rejecting it would have been somewhat less.

As I've posted before, Brown was so proud of what he'd done, he refused to sign the treaty with the other leaders and tried to avoid being photographed signing it when he actually did. That's not the behaviour of someone with a clear conscience.

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Meanwhile.

US hits China with biggest tariffs yet
The US is imposing new tariffs on $200bn (£150bn) of Chinese goods as it escalates its trade war with Beijing. These will apply to almost 6,000 items, marking the biggest round of US tariffs so far.
I actually think Trump is right in this. China has been using unfair trading practices for years to drive western manufacturers out of business. And the profit form those exports is driving an expansion in the Chinese military which is now flexing its muscles. Cripple China's unfairly subsidied exports with tariffs and you also cripple its military. Win/win.

However the EU is now going to have a big problem. As Chinese exports to the US dry up, it'll increase the subsidies for its exports going to the EU (and UK) to increase its market share there to compensate. The EU is now going to have to decide on whether to closely monitor Chinese imports and increase tariffs if they spot unfair trading practices.

That presents the EU with a dilemma. don't put up tariffs and EU manufacturers will be driven out of business. Put up tariffs and consumers will start complaining of increased prices. There are no right answers for this - so the EU is going to have to take some tough decisions. And take the flak for taking them.

Wordsmith
 
Meanwhile.

US hits China with biggest tariffs yet


I actually think Trump is right in this. China has been using unfair trading practices for years to drive western manufacturers out of business. And the profit form those exports is driving an expansion in the Chinese military which is now flexing its muscles. Cripple China's unfairly subsidied exports with tariffs and you also cripple its military. Win/win.

However the EU is now going to have a big problem. As Chinese exports to the US dry up, it'll increase the subsidies for its exports going to the EU (and UK) to increase its market share there to compensate. The EU is now going to have to decide on whether to closely monitor Chinese imports and increase tariffs if they spot unfair trading practices.

That presents the EU with a dilemma. don't put up tariffs and EU manufacturers will be driven out of business. Put up tariffs and consumers will start complaining of increased prices. There are no right answers for this - so the EU is going to have to take some tough decisions. And take the flak for taking them.

Wordsmith

NO!!!


Repeat after me:

The EU is so humopungous, it can ignore the harsh global reality and imposer its own reality…

…apparently.
 

Wordsmith

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As I've said before, life will go on largely unchanged after Brexit. After 2 - 3 months of embuggeration as new systems get shaken down, things will settle down and people will see little difference in their day to day life.

What really matters is how Westminster reacts to their new freedom to set a different direction to when we were in the EU. Get it right and we'll prosper. Get it wrong and the Remain camp will be on permasend.

The change can't happen under May - she's too risk adverse and will (as she always does) run away from problems. But the Tories under a new, business friendly leader, might strike a chord with a large part of the UK electorate.

Wordsmith
 

Dear Umunna, you have to be in government first.
Still, I expect the straw grabbers will suck this right up.
 
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I'm still trying to work out how it is the Dutch customs are recruiting 900 staff, when it's not their remit, but Brussels and Brussels is not badging them Frontex. They really have control of this issue don't they? Still there might be one bonus when they find loads of Chinese counterfeit goods-that they weren't looking for hey.
 
Always remember the Maxim of the French Diplomat in Berlin in 14. France will do what is in France’s interest. They’re wreckers, they always have been.
I wonder where he could he have got that idea from?

"We have no eternal allies, and we have no perpetual enemies. Our interests are eternal and perpetual, and these interests it is our duty to follow."
Lord Palmerston, Henry John Temple, 3rd Viscount Palmerston (1784-1865)
British Prime Minister and British Foreign Minister
 
I wonder where he could he have got that idea from?

"We have no eternal allies, and we have no perpetual enemies. Our interests are eternal and perpetual, and these interests it is our duty to follow."
Lord Palmerston, Henry John Temple, 3rd Viscount Palmerston (1784-1865)
British Prime Minister and British Foreign Minister
I'll raise You Richeleau, Armand 1585-1642
 
How is this for reporting:

BMW to shut Mini factory in Oxford for a month after Brexit day - Sky sources

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They do this every year for maintenance, they are just moving the dates to align with Brexit.
A certain ‘select’ handful of Journalist’s Faisal Islam being one was on this this like flies on a turd, adding spin of course.

Another, is the ever so popular types of Owen Jones & Alistair Campbell.


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A certain ‘select’ handful of Journalist’s Faisal Islam being one was on this this like flies on a turd, adding spin of course.

Another, is the ever so popular types of Owen Jones & Alistair Campbell.


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Sad that the gullible fall for it, the same ones .....ah, it's not worth it.
 

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Has anyone changed their minds either way in this mega thread?
Yes indeed I have!

When this thread, and indeed its predecessors, started I thought the Remainers were advocates of democracy and would, while not happy at losing, get right behind the UK efforts to scrape the Borg off our backs. My mind is now completely changed as I now know that Remainers are just bitter twisted sore losers who are trying to overturn the democratic voice of the people! ;)

Apart from that, not really! :eek:
 
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What really matters is how Westminster reacts to their new freedom to set a different direction to when we were in the EU. Get it right and we'll prosper. Get it wrong and the Remain camp will be on permasend.

The change can't happen under May - she's too risk adverse and will (as she always does) run away from problems. But the Tories under a new, business friendly leader, might strike a chord with a large part of the UK electorate.

Wordsmith
Talking of which, where is @skid2 and shittinginabaglock?
 

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