Brexit Phase Two - Trade

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That May is (a) lacking in the qualities to be PM and (b) electorally toxic had been clear for many months.

There are other Tory candidates other than BoJo. Sajid Javid (for example) has been lining himself up for the top slot and might not do too bad a job.

BoJo might be a good PM anyway - he made a fairly good job of being Mayor of London and - the occasional gaffe aside - has been a fairly good minister. BoJo's problem is that he hides his intelligence by playing the fool a little. @FORMER_FYRDMAN made the point some time back that as soon as he became the Mayor of London he should have cultivated a more serious demeanour. A bit more gravitas, and he'd have been well positioned to go for the top slot - instead he's continued to play the part of 'Bumbling Boris'.

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The 'bumbling Boris' personna has allowed him to repeatedly outsmart his opponents and the media who fall for the silly billy Boris act.
He's far more intelligent than CMD yet he became PM.
 
I like the pond analogy.

You have a garden pond full of lilies, its lovely and the lilies are expensive.
If you thrown a bucket of turds into the pond, they float to the top alongside the lilies, but they are still turds.
Deep.
 
I just wonder how many people have noticed, in less then 2 months we've gone from 'The Master Plan' (Chequers PMTM) to "we are making plans for a 'No Deal' scenario and,working out advice in case the EU tell us to piss off" !

A bit of dejavu from the referendum creeping in there, a complacent Civil Service, and Government caught out,again?

That's really scary, not forgetting...........she/they are still in charge !:roll:
 
I just wonder how many people have noticed, in less then 2 months we've gone from 'The Master Plan' (Chequers PMTM) to "we are making plans for a 'No Deal' scenario and,working out advice in case the EU tell us to piss off" !

A bit of dejavu from the referendum creeping in there, a complacent Civil Service, and Government caught out,again?

That's really scary, not forgetting...........she/they are still in charge !:roll:
It will be what it will be.

Exit from the EU will make very little discernible difference.
 
I just wonder how many people have noticed, in less then 2 months we've gone from 'The Master Plan' (Chequers PMTM) to "we are making plans for a 'No Deal' scenario and,working out advice in case the EU tell us to piss off" !

A bit of dejavu from the referendum creeping in there, a complacent Civil Service, and Government caught out,again?

That's really scary, not forgetting...........she/they are still in charge !:roll:
PMTM never analysed the problem correctly. The EU has never had any interest in agreeing a deal with us + came up with a p*ss-poor negotiating strategy.
  1. The euro is a fatally flawed currency union and can only be saved from collapse by budgets centrally set from Brussels, a means of punishing countries that do not adhere to the agreed budget and a transfer of wealth from the richer to the poorer regions of the EU, The UK leaving and becoming a successful low tax tax/low regulation economy will directly affect the ability of the EU to move in the direction of more tax, more regulation and a centralisation of powers in Brussels.
  2. The only negotiating strategy that might have worked with the EU was to prepare seriously for a hard Brexit from the start - and mean it. Brussels could then have been invited to come up with terms to avoid that hard Brexit, which would otherwise go ahead. That also would have united the Tory party as there is something in it for both the Remain and Brexit wings.
Instead, May, as has been the case throughout her career, ran away from the problems and tried for the easy solution. In trying for the easy option, she also showed considerable duplicity and bad faith - as such she has exhausted such goodwill as she has in the Tory party.

Wordsmith
 

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It will be what it will be.

Exit from the EU will make very little discernible difference.
And this is costing us two years in the political wasteland. Shed loads of money to disrupt our trade , lose our say and influence, while having to put up with inferior deals to that which have now.

What's the point?

It can't be just those on the outside, looking in and thinking we've lost our marbles.
 

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That May is (a) lacking in the qualities to be PM and (b) electorally toxic had been clear for many months.

There are other Tory candidates other than BoJo. Sajid Javid (for example) has been lining himself up for the top slot and might not do too bad a job.

BoJo might be a good PM anyway - he made a fairly good job of being Mayor of London and - the occasional gaffe aside - has been a fairly good minister. BoJo's problem is that he hides his intelligence by playing the fool a little. @FORMER_FYRDMAN made the point some time back that as soon as he became the Mayor of London he should have cultivated a more serious demeanour. A bit more gravitas, and he'd have been well positioned to go for the top slot - instead he's continued to play the part of 'Bumbling Boris'.

Wordsmith
Bonkers. The Europeans will cut a her a bit of slack. Give May some wriggle room, a courtesy they will not extend to the likes of Mogg or Johnson. And the last two don't want their political career remembered as the ones who led the party into oblivion.

And your low tax, light touch regulation goes out the window if we exit Europe. We'll need more red tape and we'll need to extract every last penny in revenue to run the show.
(Find someone who actually knows about banking, ask them what 7/10s of their work is )
And check out Max Hastings, he did a Times piece on Johnson. Tells you all you want to know. (And he was not great at Mayor)
 

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There’s been no dent to economic growth, investment or employment.
Yes, there has. Top of G7 to bottom of G7 for growth.

You keep spewing untruths Andy, you fibber

UK economic growth within the G7

In the first three months of 2018, the UK was one of the slowest growing economies in the G7. This is a group of the largest advanced economies in the world and includes Canada, France, Germany, Italy, Japan and the US, alongside the UK.
This is a significant turnaround since the period from 2013 to 2016, where the UK was one of the fastest growing economies.




Bonkers. The Europeans will cut a her a bit of slack. Give May some wriggle room, a courtesy they will not extend to the likes of Mogg or Johnson. And the last two don't want their political career remembered as the ones who led the party into oblivion.

And your low tax, light touch regulation goes out the window if we exit Europe. We'll need more red tape and we'll need to extract every last penny in revenue to run the show.
(Find someone who actually knows about banking, ask them what 7/10s of their work is )
And check out Max Hastings, he did a Times piece on Johnson. Tells you all you want to know. (And he was not great at Mayor)
The English love a buffoon but the Boris Johnson joke went tragically wrong
 

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Yes, there has. Top of G7 to bottom of G7 for growth.

You keep spewing untruths Andy, you fibber

UK economic growth within the G7

In the first three months of 2018, the UK was one of the slowest growing economies in the G7. This is a group of the largest advanced economies in the world and includes Canada, France, Germany, Italy, Japan and the US, alongside the UK.
This is a significant turnaround since the period from 2013 to 2016, where the UK was one of the fastest growing economies.





The English love a buffoon but the Boris Johnson joke went tragically wrong

Are we doom?
 
Yes, there has. Top of G7 to bottom of G7 for growth.

You keep spewing untruths Andy, you fibber

UK economic growth within the G7

In the first three months of 2018, the UK was one of the slowest growing economies in the G7. This is a group of the largest advanced economies in the world and includes Canada, France, Germany, Italy, Japan and the US, alongside the UK.
This is a significant turnaround since the period from 2013 to 2016, where the UK was one of the fastest growing economies.





The English love a buffoon but the Boris Johnson joke went tragically wrong
None EU countries in the G7 are outperforming EU countries in the G7.
 
New Brexit vote campaign gets £1m donation

Surely there is zero chance of another referendum, he might as well have burned his money, or gave it to support the homeless.
New Brexit vote campaign gets £1m donation

Surely there is zero chance of another referendum, he might as well have burned his money, or gave it to support the homeless.
New Brexit vote campaign gets £1m donation

Surely there is zero chance of another referendum, he might as well have burned his money, or gave it to support the homeless.
And there was me thinking it was sucessful becuase the made all their stuff in sweatshops in asia.

Mr Dunkerton said he believes the brand he co-launched "would never have become the global success that it did" if Brexit had happened 20 years earlier.
Also, the campaign he has donated to is for the UK populace to have a vote on the final Brexit deal, not to go for a revote.
TBH, this kind of vote would be equally as messy and achieve litte or nothing apart from more chaos.
 

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Also, the campaign he has donated to is for the UK populace to have a vote on the final Brexit deal, not to go for a revote.
TBH, this kind of vote would be equally as messy and achieve litte or nothing apart from more chaos.
Yet strangely enough, part of The People's Vote, as put forward by Justine Greening and others, is an option to remain in the EU as well as voting on deal or no deal, so it would be a revote to a certain degree.
 
Yet strangely enough, part of The People's Vote, as put forward by Justine Greening and others, is an option to remain in the EU as well as voting on deal or no deal, so it would be a revote to a certain degree.

That does appear to be the general direction of travel.
 

Joker62

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That does appear to be the general direction of travel.
Not for this callsign, I'll be campaigning for a 3rd vote if it turns out we end up remaining in the EU (that's if May lasts long enough to fùck up the result of the original democratic vote in 2016)
 

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