Brexit Phase Two - Trade

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It's alright, once we enact the right kind of deregulation, whilst endlessly condemning the deregulation of the past, I'm sure things will balance out.

It's almost like he's viewing things simplistically.

I only wish that I could print fiat currency like a nation state, although the bank of Baglock would of course be a solid financial medium

You really are a fearful little wretch. Won’t the other end of the pantomime horse let you share the comfort blankie?
 
I don’t know if we are on the same page, it worries me if they go against it and the voters for Brexit accept it.
I don’t think they will accept it if they ignored it.

I can’t think of a time when there’s been a promise of constitutional change that has met so much resistance from the big boys with money. It’s like a modern day peasants revolt.

I doubt we’ll see armed insurrection but I do foresee the political establishment being badly damaged.

The last two years however has shown me how much the establishment and very big business have forgotten who their masters actually are.
 
What should truly worry you is a short arsed demagogue is telling people that this isn't the Brexit they voted for, even though he never bothered defining it or planning for Brexit in the decades he was agitating for it.

Of course he couldn't have campaigned on "I haven't got a clue but I'll know what I don't like when I see it" could he?

You're clearly not believing hard enough.
 
I don’t think they will accept it if they ignored it.

I can’t think of a time when there’s been a promise of constitutional change that has met so much resistance from the big boys with money. It’s like a modern day peasants revolt.

I doubt we’ll see armed insurrection but I do foresee the political establishment being badly damaged.

The last two years however has shown me how much the establishment and very big business have forgotten who their masters actually are.
How people tend to forget:

 

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As someone spotted earlier. Wordsmiths stuff is not only rewritten and recycled but endlessly repeated.

And a lot of it’s not true.


I remember Browns budgets. I also remember the conservative response as being grudgingly low key. There was the usual reference to labour and the unions, but nothing seemed to land on him.

So I went and asked.

In the 4 years between 98-02 Brown generated a surplus on the public finances. (Housekeeping)
Osborne never achieved this and Hammond doesn’t expect it until 2025.

Brown inherited a national debt which was 38% of our GDP by 2001 it had fallen to 27.6%.
Not only did Brown reduce debt as a share of our national income he cut it in absolute terms

Since the lib con coalition of 2010the national debt has risen from 1 trillion to 1.7 trillion . Brown was actually spending less than he was earning (prudence)

Where he went wrong was believing the city. They missed that the economic activity in the city and property markets were in fact a bubble.

But then so did everyone else. There’s more to Brown than meets the eye (sorry) and a lot more than Wordsmiths vision of the past.

Those figures are out there. If Brown failed, where he did it was not treating the city and the banks and the city to a dose of seriously heavy handed regulation. He made the mistake of believing they were capable of regulating themselves.


The gold thing depends largely on how much was lost on who’s telling the story. Various people have various figures.
What everyone agrees on is gold is shiny.

What most people agree on is no one can tell what’s going to happen in 12 years time which where the £9bn figure usually comes from. The Belgians, Swiss and Dutch sold similar significant amounts

Great money spinning ideas
The poll tax
The ERM
Govt IT nhs and universal credit
The millennium dome
Collapse of metro net 2bn (me neither)
The asset recovery agency
Tamiflu vaccines£500m
 
What should truly worry you is a short arsed demagogue is telling people that this isn't the Brexit they voted for, even though he never bothered defining it or planning for Brexit in the decades he was agitating for it.

Of course he couldn't have campaigned on "I haven't got a clue but I'll know what I don't like when I see it" could he?
Remind me again how UKIP could plan for brexit without a civil service?

It’s like asking animal rights activists to provide a viable alternative to vivisection.

Harold Wilson campaigned to stay in the common market but still had the foresight to do some contingency planning if the referendum never went the way he wanted it to.

Cameron had the great idea to not do any contingency planning.

I’m not bothered either way as I just wanted out of the EU. Leaving won’t be a panacea neither will it be a disaster.

If you’re that bothered carry on standing in an echo chamber and listening to Chuka.
 
Remind me again how UKIP could plan for brexit without a civil service?

It’s like asking animal rights activists to provide a viable alternative to vivisection.

Harold Wilson campaigned to stay in the common market but still had the foresight to do some contingency planning if the referendum never went the way he wanted it to.

Cameron had the great idea to not do any contingency planning.

I’m not bothered either way as I just wanted out of the EU. Leaving won’t be a panacea neither will it be a disaster.

If you’re that bothered carry on standing in an echo chamber and listening to Chuka.
It appears HMG can't plan for Brexit with a Civil Service.
 

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Book Reviewer
Meanwhile a sensible comment from a Labour MP. (Which probably means he'll be sent away for re-education).

Second Brexit referendum would lead to civil disobedience, Labour front-bencher warns


Overturn the 2016 referendum result by stealth - or call a second referendum in an attempt to overturn the first result - and you'll have 17 million p*ssed off voters. Any party involved in such shenanigans can expect to take a hammering at the ballot box. And not only from Brexit supporters - I know a number of Remain supporters who'd be equally urinated off on the grounds that the result of a free and democratic referendum should be respected.

Wordsmith
Good point. Barry’s out there kite flying.You won’t have 17m pissed off voters and as you are fantasising about remain voters taking to the streets, you’re wrong there too.
A free and democratic referendum is one thing. One won by theft, lies and deceit shouldn’t be allowed to stand.

If you’re so keen on the will of the people. .lay out the pros and cons of Brexit.

An appreciable and tangiable brexit benefit,
The downside of Brexit
It’s effect on the country and let the people vote. As a democrat you shouldn’t be afraid of that.
(Just before we have a people’s vote, give the police a pay rise. It’s an old tactic, but a good one)
 
As someone spotted earlier. Wordsmiths stuff is not only rewritten and recycled but endlessly repeated.

And a lot of it’s not true.


I remember Browns budgets. I also remember the conservative response as being grudgingly low key. There was the usual reference to labour and the unions, but nothing seemed to land on him.
I'd literally just finished reading a Martin Wolff article and hopped on here to see it paraphrased badly as words of wisdom...I did take the pish at the time. a few lines and a link easy....

Thing is with Broon, I can agree with your assessment but you can't compare them really, different game plans for different situations.
 
Remind me again how UKIP could plan for brexit without a civil service?

It’s like asking animal rights activists to provide a viable alternative to vivisection.

Harold Wilson campaigned to stay in the common market but still had the foresight to do some contingency planning if the referendum never went the way he wanted it to.

Cameron had the great idea to not do any contingency planning.

I’m not bothered either way as I just wanted out of the EU. Leaving won’t be a panacea neither will it be a disaster.

If you’re that bothered carry on standing in an echo chamber and listening to Chuka.
Sure champ....

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You were saying?

So, he had decades agitating, didn't have a plan or even define what Brexit was and now he thinks he can tell the democratically elected leader of the country what to do and what Brexit is? Perhaps he can get himself elected to Parliament and have a say...8th time lucky.

Contingency? Who told the armed services to hedge some purchases? How did the BoE and Treasury have a plan on first day? Come on Andy, you shouldn't be taken in by the propaganda.

Don't listen to Chukka. TCF can still GTF though.
 
BREXIT BOMBSHELL: October deadline SCRAPPED as UK and EU scramble to avoid no-deal

BRUSSELS negotiator Michel Barnier signalled the end of the perceived October deadline after meeting with Brexit Secretary Dominic Raab as both parties commit to avoiding a no-deal scenario.
Mr Barnier told reporters the Brexit withdrawal agreement – which contains three outstanding issues – may not be completed by the European Council summit in October as previously hoped.
Having met with Mr Raab, the Frenchman explained they still need to work on the Irish backstop, outstanding withdrawal agreement issues and a political declaration on the future relationship.
They still need to work on all of it then?
No mention of Gibraltar, that must be sorted.
Spain will be pleased.
 
Another one lost the plot.
What, trusting the people to make a democratic choice? They're allowed to change their minds you know.
 
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