Brexit Phase Two - Trade

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ISTR the message was £350million ‘could’ be spent on the NHS.

That’s in line with the fact that the leave campaign wasn’t headed by a government that could implement policy, unlike the remain campaign that was backed by a PM and the civil service......who failed to do any contingency planning in the event of not getting the result they wanted.

No, it was "Let's" fund our NHS instead. There was no "could" in it all.
And you are probably the only one left who actually thinks we send 350 million a week to the EU.
Even your Nige disavowed that before the referendum and the others waited 24 hours before doing so.
 

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No, it was "Let's" fund our NHS instead. There was no "could" in it all.
And you are probably the only one left who actually thinks we send 350 million a week to the EU.
Even your Nige disavowed that before the referendum and the others waited 24 hours before doing so.
Leave found a bit of spin that resonated with voters and used it.

Remain were of course entirely innocent of using spin to further their campaign.

Wordsmith
 
Leave found a bit of spin that resonated with voters and used it.

Remain were of course entirely innocent of using spin to further their campaign.

Wordsmith
They were all guilty of spin and some continue it.
It was also the Turks are coming which has been replaced by the Albanians are coming.
 
No, it was "Let's" fund our NHS instead. There was no "could" in it all.
And you are probably the only one left who actually thinks we send 350 million a week to the EU.
Even your Nige disavowed that before the referendum and the others waited 24 hours before doing so.
It's been two years, exbleep; my suggestion is to try and find some peace within the situation. Stock pile some tinned meats if you must.

But it seems a bit daft trying to re-fight the referendum.

And if there's another, I do hope the Remain establishment tell us "You were all conned, vote to remain, you thick twats", because that'll guarantee Brexit wins.

:eek:
 
It's been two years, exbleep; my suggestion is to try and find some peace within the situation. Stock pile some tinned meats if you must.

But it seems a bit daft trying to re-fight the referendum.

And if there's another, I do hope the Remain establishment tell us "You were all conned, vote to remain, you thick twats", because that'll guarantee Brexit wins.

:eek:

 
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They were all guilty of spin and some continue it.
It was also the Turks are coming which has been replaced by the Albanians are coming.
As I say, historical polling has shown a deep distrust of the EU. So making claims that the leave campaign swung it with lies firstly ignored historical polling for support for the EU has never been high, and also completely dismissed the lies/spin that the remain campaign felt it was acceptable to protect push out and that project fear continue to push out.

Can you explain to me why you feel that support for remaining in the EU has always been low even before we saw the mass migrations from the former soviet bloc country’s?

Polling history: 40 years of British views on 'in or out' of Europe
 
As I say, historical polling has shown a deep distrust of the EU. So making claims that the leave campaign swung it with lies firstly ignored historical polling for support for the EU has never been high, and also completely dismissed the lies/spin that the remain campaign felt it was acceptable to protect push out and that project fear continue to push out.

Can you explain to me why you feel that support for remaining in the EU has always been low even before we saw the mass migrations from the former soviet bloc country’s?

Polling history: 40 years of British views on 'in or out' of Europe
2014

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Romania and Bulgaria controls lifted

Fast forward to 2018

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Romanian is second most common non-British nationality in UK
 

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Living on benefits or working for minimum wage gives many Bulgarians or Romanians a better standard of living than they have in their native countries. Unsurprisingly, a substantial number have moved to the UK in an attempt to better themselves.

HMG was warned well before the event of the numbers concerned. The PM concerned (Blair) did not avail himself of an EU opt out that would have restricted the numbers coming to the UK in the first five years after those two countries joined the EU. Hence the flood of economic migrants from those two countries.

Among other things, they're keeping some of our home grown unemployed out of work, because they're more willing to do the low paid jobs.

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And you are probably the only one left who actually thinks we send 350 million a week to the EU.
In 2016 we handed over £13.1bn, which equates to £251.9m a week. Without what Blair left us of our rebate our gross wedge would have been £17bn for the year (which is where £350m per week comes from - it is not technically wrong as it is the weekly contribution for 2016 before our rebate is applied. However, in practice our rebate is applied before the Chancellor gets out the national chequebook and pours our wedge into the coffers of the EU). So, if we left the EU and weren't paying anything anymore to them there is on paper a potential £350m a week saving, using 2016 figures.

EU spending on the UK in 2016 was forecast to be £4.5bn, making our net contribution £8.6bn.

However, there would have been caveats attached by the EU as to what their kind "donation" to the UK could be spent on (not to mention the losses to a bloated bureaucracy in admin costs of transferring a wedge and then being given some of it back for various projects "paid for by the EU").

Not for the first time today it could possibly be light-heartedly likened thus:

Last week I mugged a Remainer and helped myself to £252 from his pocket. He promptly burst into tears and blubbed and whined and I took pity on him and gave him a little over a third of it back. However, it was on the condition that he only spent it on the things I said he could spend it on, and each thing he bought with it had to have my picture next to it with a caption saying that it was actually me that paid for it. We both thought this such a good wheeze that we decided we would meet up at the same spot every week and repeat the exercise.
 
"On finally achieving his long ambition [of becoming PM in 1868], Disraeli declared, “I have climbed to the top of the greasy pole”." Plus ca change and all that!!
Mr Corbyn should beware, after all Dizzy abjured from Judaeism to become Christian , just so that the would qualify and shortly after the qualification was removed from Jews..........
 
I used to think there were lots of other reasons. Disenfranchised, lost communities, ignored by Westminster, sick of austerity. Immigrants eating up scarce local services and resources.

Most of this was Government policy which Europe got the blame for and carried the can.
Now that a lot of people have found out what they voted for and whatever it is, it’s not going to improve their lives one bit. It was a protest vote gone wrong. ie: they won.

Those that are still true believers in the wreckage we call brexit. Yep it’s the bus.
Nope we never do what the EU tells us do we?

Background - Eurostat
 

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In 2016 we handed over £13.1bn, which equates to £251.9m a week. Without what Blair left us of our rebate our gross wedge would have been £17bn for the year (which is where £350m per week comes from - it is not technically wrong as it is the weekly contribution for 2016 before our rebate is applied. However, in practice our rebate is applied before the Chancellor gets out the national chequebook and pours our wedge into the coffers of the EU). So, if we left the EU and weren't paying anything anymore to them there is on paper a potential £350m a week saving, using 2016 figures.

EU spending on the UK in 2016 was forecast to be £4.5bn, making our net contribution £8.6bn.

However, there would have been caveats attached by the EU as to what their kind "donation" to the UK could be spent on (not to mention the losses to a bloated bureaucracy in admin costs of transferring a wedge and then being given some of it back for various projects "paid for by the EU").

Not for the first time today it could possibly be light-heartedly likened thus:

Last week I mugged a Remainer and helped myself to £252 from his pocket. He promptly burst into tears and blubbed and whined and I took pity on him and gave him a little over a third of it back. However, it was on the condition that he only spent it on the things I said he could spend it on, and each thing he bought with it had to have my picture next to it with a caption saying that it was actually me that paid for it. We both thought this such a good wheeze that we decided we would meet up at the same spot every week and repeat the exercise.
It's actually worse than that. When you count in the match funding we end up having to use for 'EU' projects, that's money we would like to have spent on something else, but if we don't cough up we get even less of our own money back.
 
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