Brexit Phase Two - Trade

I'm surprised that there has been no mention of the fact that, last week Japan had been granted an EU Free Trade deal with access to the Single Market, with no strings attached, usual rules apply re: conforming to quality, packaging and labelling etc.

Strange that I have heard no mention in MSM ?

If Japan can get the 'deal', why can't the UK (apart from the anglophobic negotiating team, most of the Commision and, shitloads of (B)Eurocrats)?
No mention? You need to go back a few pages. It's been mentioned quite a few times.

Plus all over the press, BBC etc.

Independent
BBC
And loads of others. Maybe you aren't looking or reading.
Of course UK could get the "deal", Just needs our team to turn up to the meetings now and again.
 
IIf Japan can get the 'deal', why can't the UK (apart from the anglophobic negotiating team, most of the Commision and, shitloads of (B)Eurocrats)?

No vested political interests in Japan looking forward to fabulously well paid non jobs in Brussels and Strasbourg after failing in domestic politics.
 

skid2

LE
Book Reviewer
Things we learnt this weekend.
Dire consequences for those least able to afford it. John Major
No divorce deal without trade deal. Dominic Rab (that’s going to really impress our future trade partners. The term will be known as brexiting on a deal as opposed to ‘welching’)
Anyone remember when the UK government had to think about stockpiling food as a result of its own actions. An unfortunate line which found its way into the media. Dominic Raab.
The Eus border backstop is unacceptable. Didn’t we agree to this back in December.
Civil unrest if there’s no deal. Amazon and The Times
No deal could lead to state of emergency. Dominic Grieve


Now look. It’s not up to me to help out the brexiters when their winning is obviously going so well.
But if I were them I’d be getting out there with some of their ‘considerable upsides’


‘Why sometimes I’ve believed as many as six impossible things before Brexit’ Lewis Carroll.
 
And that is one of the hidden benefits for leaving the EU - it will force UK firms to innovate and be more competitive.
Go, go go Brexit you know what they say
Hang on now Brexit you'll make it some day
Don't give up Britain fight till you drop
We've read the book and you come out on top

Read more: Joseph - Go, Go, Go, Joseph Lyrics | MetroLyrics
 

skid2

LE
Book Reviewer
Slight misapprehension - there are no tariffs inside the single market. Increased prices come from other sources including:
  1. Import tariffs forcing up the prices for goods from the rest of the world, allowing inefficient EU producers to get away with higher prices for their goods rather than having to sell at world prices.
  2. Thinks like the CAP forcing up the price of food relative to the world market.
As such, the UK would be wise to negotiate a timescale for reducing EU tariffs to WTO levels - if they're removed at a stroke, EU forms will not have time to adjust. For example UK farmers are used to selling at the artificially high prices resulting from the CAP. They'll need 5 - 10 years to adjust their farming practices so they're competitive on the world market.

And that is one of the hidden benefits for leaving the EU - it will force UK firms to innovate and be more competitive.

Wordsmith

This competitive and innovative stuff we keep hearing about. I don’t suppose you can cite one incidence where as members of the Eu, it limited our ability to strive for competitiveness and innovate.
Again.
Just asking like.
 
Things we learnt this weekend.
Dire consequences for those least able to afford it. John Major
No divorce deal without trade deal. Dominic Rab (that’s going to really impress our future trade partners. The term will be known as brexiting on a deal as opposed to ‘welching’)
Anyone remember when the UK government had to think about stockpiling food as a result of its own actions. An unfortunate line which found its way into the media. Dominic Raab.
The Eus border backstop is unacceptable. Didn’t we agree to this back in December.
Civil unrest if there’s no deal. Amazon and The Times
No deal could lead to state of emergency. Dominic Grieve


Now look. It’s not up to me to help out the brexiters when their winning is obviously going so well.
But if I were them I’d be getting out there with some of their ‘considerable upsides’


‘Why sometimes I’ve believed as many as six impossible things before Brexit’ Lewis Carroll.
You can almost smell the desperation and willingness to believe any old tripe. Mind you, I suppose I'd be annoyed with myself if I fell for the government position in 2016 and voted to remain.
They don't get thicker than this...
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So can I reiterate, The CU is not a Free trade agreement
A trade agreement is not essential to trade, it depends whose controlling it and if the prices are attractive.
Ultimately the whip hand lies in the consumer pocket.
The CU is the reverse of a free trade agreement, with swinging protectionist tariffs in place on many goods.

Trump is now taking aim at those protectionist tariffs, so apart from the financial implications of EU goods being shut off from the US market, the EU is going to see an unforgettable spotlight shone on those protectionist tariffs.

The EU is heading into a heads the US wins, tails the EU loses situation. Leave the tariffs in place and trade with the US decreases - with job losses. Remove the tariffs and inefficient EU producers will be driven out of business - with job losses.

The UK will have its own set of problems to deal with, but at least we will have regained full freedom of action - and not be forced down a course of action that might suit France/Germany and not us.

Wordsmith
 
The EU is heading into a heads the US wins, tails the EU loses situation. Leave the tariffs in place and trade with the US decreases - with job losses. Remove the tariffs and inefficient EU producers will be driven out of business - with job losses.

Wordsmith

Tarrifs on the US were great as long as the US was a nett energy importer… alas, the goalposts changed, fracking and all that now makes the US an exporter again and gives the US the whip hand in energy costs at the factory gate.

Its going to be painful for the EU as its hitched its Chevauex to cheap Russian energy and played right into Trumps hands.,
 
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EU forcing up the price of food


Most beef imports into the EU are subject to ad valorem tariffs of 12.8 per cent, plus a fixed amount ranging from €1,414 to €3,041 per tonne, depending on the cut. In most cases, this tariff equates to an addition of 50 per cent or more to the value of imports, which seriously impacts on the ability of imported beef to compete with EU meat.

(For certain cuts, Tariffs can reach an eye watering 160%)

Any sheep meat imports outside quota or from countries not covered by it, are subject to ad valorem tari s of 12.8%, plus a xed amount ranging from €902 to €3118 per tonne, depending on the cut. In many cases, this would be equivalent to an ad valorem tari of 50 per cent or more, which seriously impacts on the ability of imported sheep meat to compete with EU meat.


The EU is a protection racket.
 
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there are no tariffs inside the single market.
no, but people do confuse the Tariff code for statistical purposes with the tariff. It's point I made earlier, there are no exports or Imports within the EU merely movements which are in free circulation. If anyone on here actualy remembers what an entry looked like all you do is alter the one box from T2 to ex and the rest is history. The balance of the information was collected for Stats and VAT/ CUstoms duties which are accounted automatically because of the algorithms in CHIEF. What we did was check the Tariff code matched the rate, to detect under payments.
 
EU forcing up the price of food


Most beef imports into the EU are subject to ad valorem tari s of 12.8 per cent, plus a fixed amount ranging from €1,414 to €3,041 per tonne, depending on the cut. In most cases, this tariff equates to an addition of 50 per cent or more to the value of imports, which seriously impacts on the ability of imported beef to compete with EU meat.

(For certain cuts, Tariffs can reach an eye watering 160%)

Any sheep meat imports outside quota or from countries not covered by it, are subject to ad valorem tari s of 12.8%, plus a xed amount ranging from €902 to €3118 per tonne, depending on the cut. In many cases, this would be equivalent to an ad valorem tari of 50 per cent or more, which seriously impacts on the ability of imported sheep meat to compete with EU meat.


The EU is a protection racket.
I've long known this. Why is it so difficult for the belters to understand.
 
That's good!
They will both end up swinging from lamposts when reality hits in April 2019
Is the country going to rise up then? Both myself and @Truxx have been prepared for ages to take to the hills. Are you saying that the NMB time has now been reduced?
 
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