Brexit Phase Two - Trade

I suggest that you listen to the programme rather than jump to any conclusions by cutting and pasting a partial quotation. In your rush to dismiss it, you failed to scroll on and read the whole synopsis (and then listen to the whole thing).



And you would benefit from listening to it, as well.
I will but with as much attention as I'd give Will Self TBH. They both offer the odd stunning insight whilst on their journey around themselves.

Surprised you offer a Guardianista up though. My comment was aimed at man'omany names BTW.
 
What do you, @GrumpyWasTooCheerful, @AfghanAndy, @Tired_Tech and @LeoRoverman
It's quite simple.
Parliament gave us a referendum, we had it, they've accepted it. We are now leaving. Now Parliament always says it's sovereign. Now they want that sovereignty transferred back to the electorate and then what? Will this be a re run of the original referendum, that they've accepted or the trade deal. So what would be the point of Parliament? To give us the right to make decisions they will accept? No no. Parliament is paid for this, let them get on with it, but I wouldn't accept a cop out by them. I have wanted out of Europe since 2008 on the basis of what I know and understand. So I fear nothing- if this country wants to cop out on the basis on an profiteering elite, so be it
 
you can of course prove all of the above, yes? Thankyou for posting a completely pointless opinion poll from tw*tter.
Did you protest TMPM's power grab? No.

Glad to see you paying as much attention as you usually do. That's a poll for the
Sunday Times - it's the lead article.

Good to see you interested in proof at last. Can we take it that you'll be demanding the same from the DM and Express?
 
It’s coming home,
it’s coming home,
hard brexits coming home!

The furious anti democratic rearguard by Remainiacs determined to overturn the will of the people in parliament has now almost assured the very hardest outcome, far more hardcore than 99% of Brexiteers ever dreamed of.
Happy days!
Won't we be deporting foreigners like you if we go hard Brexit?
 
Dominic Raab with his first major interview since replacing Davis starts off making the right noises IMO. He is starting off by reiterating that we don't pay the 'divorce settlement' if the EU refuse to come up with a deal.
Article 50 was invoked 480 days ago. As a nation we still haven't really decided what deal we want with the EU so why is it up to them to come up with a deal? We said we wanted to leave the club and now we're expecting the club to decide what we should get when we go when we can't make our own minds up what we want?
 
Did you protest TMPM's power grab? No.

Glad to see you paying as much attention as you usually do. That's a poll for the
Sunday Times - it's the lead article.

Good to see you interested in proof at last. Can we take it that you'll be demanding the same from the DM and Express?
opinion polls are so reliable aren't they...
 
Won't we be deporting foreigners like you if we go hard Brexit?
A return to the good old days, you can see the attitude from the odd poster on this thread inot respect of Ireland.

"No dogs, blacks or Irish."
 
Surprised you offer a Guardianista up though.
I'm prepared to listen to anyone on the subject, but more especially if they are willing to acknowledge and explore the 'cause and effect' basis to the whole Brexit/EU debate.

I think that Gray very capably managed to do this and without once resorting to the dismissive and blatantly uncomprehending 'Brexiteers are just an ageing, uneducated, ill-informed, bigoted underclass' reflex.
 
opinion polls are so reliable aren't they...
I'm going to have to white text posts. You’re not bovvered, neither is CCHQ and Raab isn't stirring it. OK
 
I'm prepared to listen to anyone on the subject, but more especially if they are willing to acknowledge and explore the 'cause and effect' basis to the w5hole Brexit/EU debate.

I think that Gray very capably managed to do this and without once resorting to the dismissive and blatantly uncomprehending 'Brexiteers are just an ageing, uneducated, ill-informed, bigoted underclass' reflex.
The discussion has been going on for some time and pre dates Brexit.

The only people bringing up the last bit on this thread are you and Andy.
 
I think you’ll find ireland, the current crop anyway aren’t being mouthpieces or being told what to say.

I can say that the load of abuse heading their way hasn’t done the Brexit case any good at all it’s gone from surprise to exasperation and beyond.


I always thought that’s a brave move, lets leave a major trading bloc (for reasons which still make no sense to me) and then belittle and abuse our next door neighbours, which could be in a position to help.

Obviously I mix in less polite circles than @Brotherton Lad. I don’t feel the need to apologise. I usually describe the brexiter true believers as a shower of bastards.

They know it’s completely fucked, but they’re determined to carry on. Bunker mentality. After Christmas it’ll be like the fall of Berlin.
Nobody is belittling anybody.

As we all know, none of project fears will come to fruition
 
So the obvious question is....

How many frothing Remainers will free to EUtopia if we leave on WTO rules?

Lots

Not many

They will all forget their two years of EUtopian ranting abd get all Nuspeak.
 
So the obvious question is....

How many frothing Remainers will free to EUtopia if we leave on WTO rules?

Lots

Not many

They will all forget their two years of EUtopian ranting abd get all Nuspeak.
Lower your dosage.
 
The discussion has been going on for some time and pre dates Brexit.
Then it seems to have been forgotten in the aftermath of the result.

The only people bringing up the last bit on this thread are you and Andy.
I can't be bothered dredging through this and related threads to cite examples. I would invite you to use the search function, punch in 'Brexit' and any one of the negative adjectives
I contend is regularly used to describe Brexit voters and see what happens.

You may also have noticed that the debate is a tiny bit more widespread than things that happen in ARRSE. So do the same in Google for a much broader return.

So it's just me and Andy "making shit up" eh?
 
I apologise and grovel profusely, your greatness. I hadn't realised you were so important that a Secretary of State would hang on your every word and recall such wisdom 20 years after your profound utterance.
You do understand that occasionally thought processes are not unique and that in these circumstances there is something called agreement. For example both Oscar Wildeand JM Barrie used the phrase “I am not young enough to know everything. “ so no. But then I would have had the same chances of being SoS had I been him.
 
Then it seems to have been forgotten in the aftermath of the result.



I can't be bothered dredging through this and related threads to cite examples. I would invite you to use the search function, punch in 'Brexit' and any one of the negative adjectives
I contend is regularly used to describe Brexit voters and see what happens.

You may also have noticed that the debate is a tiny bit more widespread than things that happen in ARRSE. So do the same in Google for a much broader return.

So it's just me and Andy "making shit up" eh?
Assertion it is then.

See my post a few pages back, Andy comes up in the top four. It's a very old propaganda technique which is in favour with the SNP. Manufacturing grievance.

CGAF what a naughty person said some mythical elsewhere in respect of this, what's on this board is what counts IMO.

It's not I slagging off the people on the Blackpool thread is it?

None of which addresses how we're going to manage this absolute cluster.
 
humour me. There are nigh on 38,000 posts on the thread, some of which I haven't read and, to be fair, you're normally on ignore. Explain why we can't have a deal that is equal to or better than the one we have at present. Would such a deal not benefit the EU as well?
Because we are apparently refusing to be bound by the common rules which underpin the current deal, and further demand that in the event of any dispute we refuse to be bound by the accepted, multinational, court of arbitration and judge our own alleged transgressions.

Would you allow any other country a deal with the UK on those terms?
 
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