Brexit Phase Two - Trade

I think there is much mischief that the Leave campaign can make on campaign funding.

The government propaganda leaflet for Remain was sent out 11-13 April 2016 to avoid the official start of the campaign on 15 April. Blatant fudging of election rules but allowed, apparently. The leaflet was not delivered in Scotland though until 9 May due to Scottish elections. This means the editions of the pamphlet delivered in Scotland should be included in Remain campaign returns, yet for some unexplained reason, it seems to hold the same spurious status as the ones issued in England a month earlier. Cameron making up the rules as he felt yet the "independent" body is chasing Brexit.

Mind you, that is probably why remain campaigners were not making that much of a big deal over the report, and letting Soubry do the shouting!

Talk about election shenanigans! :rolleyes:
They can't, all they can do is misdirect. Can't do that on the plod investigation though, perjury rises its head,
 
It was MI5. Salmond was courting Putin at the time.
Him Farage and Banks, nothing between them in terms of selling their soul for a sniff of electoral victory....
 
Him Farage and Banks, nothing between them in terms of selling their soul for a sniff of electoral victory....
Him Farage and Banks, nothing between them in terms of selling their soul for a sniff of electoral victory....
What made the likes of Kinnock change to their belief in the EU from their historical anti EU viewpoint?

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www....mpaign-highlights-kinnocks-10m-eu-2100178.amp

You seem to be ignoring the fact that the EU has never been too popular. We’ve had politicians promising us referendums for some time hoping the electorate would forget about it.

FactCheck: Did Blair promise Euro referendum? - Channel 4 News

It’s very easy for people to Pont fingers and blame individuals when they don’t get their own way, but the simple fact is the EU has never been too popular.
 
Funny I had the same thought about you, a perfect case study of short man syndrome.

Your posts always consist of one part recognition of another person's opinion and a second part an outright dig, which is always delivered with contempt. On the rare occasions you try to be constructive, its to merely cut and paste another person's opinion and pass it off as facts supporting your own non-existent opinions.
You're a case of gobshite syndrome. Still waiting for that link socky....

I know and you know why you're not going to post it. Plenty don't get digs, the gobshites do though. Got that link yet or are you just going to keep on asserting stuff?
 
What made the likes of Kinnock change to their belief in the EU from their historical anti EU viewpoint?

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www....mpaign-highlights-kinnocks-10m-eu-2100178.amp

You seem to be ignoring the fact that the EU has never been too popular. We’ve had politicians promising us referendums for some time hoping the electorate would forget about it.

FactCheck: Did Blair promise Euro referendum? - Channel 4 News

It’s very easy for people to Pont fingers and blame individuals when they don’t get their own way, but the simple fact is the EU has never been too popular.
Feck knows, not Farage, Banks or Salmond though is he? Not supping from Putin's trough. Shame you refuse to recognise it.
 
Oh they can be twisted into anything and why i am reluctant using them as facts. But, I was challenged to pony up, in the ongoing pointless battle of links, versus remain, having any opinion of there own.
The link I've asked for a number of times is the one where you predicted Chequers/the current situation and I pooh poohed it. Not going to happen is it?
 
So do I, given that NATO was founded in 1949 and the EU wasn't established until 1st November 1993 - notwithstanding that NATO is a military alliance of both EU and non-EU members unaffiliated with the EU, and the EU is an inefficient political administration without any directly-controlled military resources or defence infrastructure (at the moment).

Many, many people fail to realise this - including politicians and ranty talk radio hosts, both groups of which really have no excuse for not being better informed.

Given that a Europe without every state on the continent being in a political union experienced a distinct lack of red-starred panzers streaming through the Fulda Gap between 1949 and 1993 it would seem extremely unlikely that an EU without the UK (or, more to the point, the UKs annual wedge) would lead to a weakening of NATO - especially when the largest contributor and largest individual military is neither in the EU or on the European continental plate.

I recall that NATO managed to carry on regardless when France pulled out, too - oh, but that was before the EU came to be.

The main threat to NATO strength and stability is not Britain leaving the EU but Trump - when he loses it and pulls the funding plug because Angela won't pay her fair share.
Yet another argument implying that NATO somehow exists in a vacuum somehow shielded from the wider political and economic situation in its member states. You pretty much expose the flaws in your own argument.

If Brexit, as widely predicted, causes economic damage across the EU then the potential exists that member states may miss NATO spending targets. As you say, that could see the ever unpredictable Trump take his toys home.

In addition Brexit is creating tensions between the UK and member states, with the potential for further tensions within the 27 as the new reality is dealt with. There are some in the UK who seem to relish a hostile stance towards other European states. We then have Trump who described the EU as a 'foe'.

Does the above situation make a robust, unified NATO response to any Russian aggression more or less likely?
 
Keep telling yourself that, only it's not true. I'd also be curious as to why you were a cheerleader for the government as it failed to prepare, failed to spot this sabotage as it was happening, and shouted down anyone who told you it was happening?

Errr.... from what I can see of the situation, May has been the saboteur all along.

As an aside, how can you possibly trust anyone that instructs a century old agreement gets binned, pairing. Even Callaghan’s dying government respected that.
 
The EU is being uncooperative for fear that the UK will prosper outside of the EU and other countries will follow.

It's a lot easier to sign trade deals with countries that see mutual advantage in doing so.

Wordsmith
What is there for the EU to co-operate with? We haven't told them what we want to do yet, we've got the government breaking decades of Parliament tradition to force through a vote to save their own position in power and try and work out what relationship we want with the EU, over two f*cking years since the vote.
 
Quite an interesting day in the City today talking to one of the analysts from a US Investment bank. Since BAE sold its 20% stake in Airbus, the City has been expecting airbus to pull out of the UK for donkies, so the sabre rattling is causing no concern in London.

I asked about the current outlook and the response I got was UK manufacturing trading in the UK, not a problem. The drop in the pound places companies exporting into US, AsiaPac (in other words not Europe) - its good news. The only real impact is companies with supply chains cutting across the EU - they will have an issue, but with 5 years to relocate a manufacturing line, no-one is worrying, and those that are going to pull out were going to pull out anyway. A weaker pound also means labour costs are lower, so we are more competitive.

Some of you lot need to get out more
 
Feck knows, not Farage, Banks or Salmond though is he? Not supping from Putin's trough. Shame you refuse to recognise it.
I’ve yet to see anything firm about Russian involvement other Businessman goes to Russia.

I’ll let you into a little secret. I don’t care what the Russians think.
 
What is there for the EU to co-operate with? We haven't told them what we want to do yet, we've got the government breaking decades of Parliament tradition to force through a vote to save their own position in power and try and work out what relationship we want with the EU, over two f*cking years since the vote.
What parliament tradition was broken to force the vote through?
 

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