Brexit Phase Two - Trade

Another one who uses facts selectively, but since you have the passion for the fox, i read it on Business Insider.

New poll finds the British public have turned against a 'Hard Brexit'
So you read that Business Insider quoted poll as the percentage for a hard Brexit is greater than for Remain?
Just so you know, my link came from Business Insider as well but I certainly didn't read it as you did.
I suppose getting your facts from your desk officer would do that.
 
Now that's some quality clutching at straws right there. It wasn't that long ago you were cheerleading her administration and shouting down any suggestions that we were on course for the current mess as traitorous lies spread by those who refused to accept the referendum result.

Now I get it, it hurts to admit you've been played, but at some point you'll have to accept that the people responsible for this mess are in fact responsible for it. And when every single person who wants Brexit and is involved in it can't see a way clear to deliver it - maybe, just maybe, it's time for a course of action that won't turn the economy into a smoking crater.
.......and your alternative.......... is

Answers on a post card to Blue Peter....
 
Closely followed by staying in the EU, Regulatory Alignment.

Strange that the major part of PMTM's white paper covered Regulatory Alignment!
Regulatory Alignment is the worst possible scenario from both leavers and remainers point of view.
(Apart from the stupidity of a hard Brexit, of course).
 
Have you never had someone laugh at you before, my little snowflake? I'm sure that there's a safe space somewhere for you.

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Regulatory Alignment is the worst possible scenario from both leavers and remainers point of view.
(Apart from the stupidity of a hard Brexit, of course).
That is total rubbish-regulatory alignment already exists, the issue isn't so much that but that the participants can't deliver, hence dieselgate. etc. Climate change etc can't be halted purely by regulation. Fact is we have standardised rules, we moved from independent verification to self certification because there's too much to lose and they comply with ours as much as we comply with theirs. My department dealt with all that from Phyto certs to independent verification of alcholic content of Wines and spirits to issues related to T/S, counterfiet goods to port health pre 1988 and then it all got downsized as verification got wasted. You are now no more secure in anything than you were.
 
It's amazing what pollsters can do with a question. Instead of asking the British public, well a few of them, if they were against a course of action they asked which is the best of the choices. I prefer the Survation survey below the YouGov one, which gives much cleaner results, if polls can be classed as accurate.
 
Nor can the EU- remember they can't interdict trade from outside the EU whatever they do, we can however make things damned difficult for non EU goods entering much of it goes through our ports for processing.
What world are you in? The EU can 't unterdict trade from putside the EU? They won't need to!!!! Who is going to ship anything via the UK to the EU? They will ship direct. What it will do is kill UK ports as conpanies ship direct to the EU.

Of course a lit of stuff coming in to UK ports will be parts for compnaies that, on Brexit will have relocated to the EU.

Just as well really as when on 30th March air travel stops we are going to need mor capacity onthe ferrys and boats. though of course with no deals in place you are going to have to get the right visa's and things......
 
The EU can 't unterdict trade from putside the EU? They won't need to!!!! Who is going to ship anything via the UK to the EU? They will ship direct. What it will do is kill UK ports as conpanies ship direct to the EU.

Of course a lit of stuff coming in to UK ports ...
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Regulatory Alignment is the worst possible scenario from both leavers and remainers point of view.
(Apart from the stupidity of a hard Brexit, of course).
You haven't really picked up on this process have you? It matters not one little jot to Mrs May whether any plan is acceptable to Remainers or Brexiteers, it is if it matters to Brussels that counts! Why do you think she was touting it round the EU before presenting to her own Cabinet?
 

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I'm not someone who goes around announcing who I've got on ignore (no one) and then responding to said ignorees a short time later.

I welcome all PoVs, but reserve the right to deconstruct them.
You don't have anyone in ignore because you don't know how to use it to your own benefit!
 
What world are you in? The EU can 't unterdict trade from putside the EU? They won't need to!!!! Who is going to ship anything via the UK to the EU? They will ship direct. What it will do is kill UK ports as conpanies ship direct to the EU.

Of course a lit of stuff coming in to UK ports will be parts for compnaies that, on Brexit will have relocated to the EU.

Just as well really as when on 30th March air travel stops we are going to need more capacity on the ferrys and boats. though of course with no deals in place you are going to have to get the right visa's and things......
Go back to my comments with Skid. It's not that wouldn't be able to, they have to have berths and a hell of a lot is processed for finalisation here. This means we've got the goods under our control. Well it's going to be fun when aircraft suddenly start falling from the sky. I wouldn't travel were I you. We have some of the best handling facilities just coming on stream here. As to bigger Ferries, You'd better start building now.
 
Like brexit, there is no benefit. I simply scroll past the drivel
The number of posts with a "Dumb" icon from you would suggest otherwise, you little tinker.
 

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The number of posts with a "Dumb" icon from you would suggest otherwise, you little tinker.
As he "Dumbs" about 80% of my posts I hope you are not insinuating that I write drivel! :D
 
With the EU "warning" the other twenty-seven member states today that they should prepare themselves for a no-deal Brexit I can't help but read that as, "Whatever they offer us we'll reject. There must be no deal else the rest of you might get ideas about canvassing your electorate on whether to stay or go, too - and such democratic action just will not do."
Nope. The no-deal scenario became a possible outcome the moment the "no-deal is better than a bad deal" mantra was being repeated by some of the Brexiteers. I've seen this attitude on here as well. "Just walk away without a deal.....". The British government still doesn't know what Brexit looks like, so how can you expect the other 27 MS will know what the **** it means? A no-deal Brexit isn't what any of the other MS would like to see, but thanks to the monumental political incompetence of the current UK government the rest of the EU has started to prepare for the worst whilst still hoping for the best.

And that's the dangerous bit in this epic shitstorm. People like Adonis, Soubry and Clark seem to think they can simply stop this Brexit, but I wonder whether that's still an option. You're passed that point. I've said before on here the Dutch government is hiring close to 1,000 extra customs officers to deal with a no-deal scenario. In a radio interview Sophie in 't Veld (MEP) said this is costing us €100,000,000. That's €100,000,000 which we can't invest in our healthcare, education or whatever. It's more or less spend and being spend. In November the port of Rotterdam has planned what I like to call a Brexercise. For a day the port will pretend Britain has crashed out of the EU so they can see what other preparations could be needed to deal with a no-deal outcome. Such an exercise isn't free either.

So first, there is the risk of the sunken cost fallacy. We're not the only ones preparing for the no-deal scenario and some countries might fall victim to this fallacy and all the money already spend is seen as an investment that needs paying off rather than writing off.

Second, confirmation bias. If you prepare for a no-deal than this must be justified since politicians and firms know at one point they will be held accountable by the voters or share- and stakeholders. This kind of spending needs reasoning and the risk is reasoning towards what you ideally don't want but have to justify.

Third, look where you want to land. Currently we're all starting to look at the spot where we don't want to land, and the most likely outcome will be that we will all get exactly there. The reason we're looking over there in the first place is because the noises coming over from the Channel keep pointing us in that direction.

A no-deal outcome is still very likely and if the UK is careless it might simply fizz out of the EU next year like an already deflated balloon. No big bang, but just whhhhhsssssssssssss.

Blame the EU all you like, but many countries around the globe do deals with the EU. It can't be that hard (easiest deal ever springs to mind).

If you really want to crash out with your fingers crossed than be my guest. Otherwise, make up your collective minds, accept you can't have cake and than eat it, than still have it to smear it on the ******* walls in parliament and than eat it again.
 
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