Brexit Phase Two - Trade

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I think there is much mischief that the Leave campaign can make on campaign funding.

The government propaganda leaflet for Remain was sent out 11-13 April 2016 to avoid the official start of the campaign on 15 April. Blatant fudging of election rules but allowed, apparently. The leaflet was not delivered in Scotland though until 9 May due to Scottish elections. This means the editions of the pamphlet delivered in Scotland should be included in Remain campaign returns, yet for some unexplained reason, it seems to hold the same spurious status as the ones issued in England a month earlier. Cameron making up the rules as he felt yet the "independent" body is chasing Brexit.

Mind you, that is probably why remain campaigners were not making that much of a big deal over the report, and letting Soubry do the shouting!

Talk about election shenanigans! :rolleyes:
 

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It's about weakening Europe Andy.

NATO is the military part
The EU is the economic arm.

If you can't see that weakening the economic ties in Europe is a strategic aim of the Russians then there's no hope for you.

You are engaging in whataboutary in vintage @KGB_resident style
How can the EU claim to be the economic part of Europe? One, they are only part of the continent of Europe with some European countries not in the EU; two the EU don't even collect tax, the major element of political economics.
 
How can the EU claim to be the economic part of Europe? One, they are only part of the continent of Europe with some European countries not in the EU; two the EU don't even collect tax, the major element of political economics.
The EU has nothing to do with the European economy, in your view?
 
You don't 'alf talk pish. Maybe they are leaving as the work they have done has been trashed and undermined by the PM. Not a great leader.
Now that's some quality clutching at straws right there. It wasn't that long ago you were cheerleading her administration and shouting down any suggestions that we were on course for the current mess as traitorous lies spread by those who refused to accept the referendum result.

Now I get it, it hurts to admit you've been played, but at some point you'll have to accept that the people responsible for this mess are in fact responsible for it. And when every single person who wants Brexit and is involved in it can't see a way clear to deliver it - maybe, just maybe, it's time for a course of action that won't turn the economy into a smoking crater.
 
Its a fair point, the polls say 20% of the populace are hard remainers and 35% are hard brexiteers. I personally think you would win a second referendum maybe 55-45% as the inbetweeners will have a more stark choice.

The problem with the remainer logic is once A50 is cancelled, does that put the country back together, what happens next ?
The problem with your logic is that you make statements, fail to back them up with a link and then go on button mashing trip. How long have you felt inadequate?
 
The solution?

Ask the people to solve the problem. As they and only they know what they want.
Could you just clarify this comment for me? Is it:

A. A meagre attempt at humour?

B. You advocate a second referendum and that the people should decide?

C. You advocate that our betters (presumably including yourself) should overturn the referendum result and lead us back into the EUtopian fold?

D. Something special that only you understand?

I'm betting that B. is probably a non-starter for you as you have been gobbing off for the best part of three years about the electorate being "mongs" and not worthy of their vote, so presumably not to be trusted with another vote?
 
Now that's some quality clutching at straws right there. It wasn't that long ago you were cheerleading her administration and shouting down any suggestions that we were on course for the current mess as traitorous lies spread by those who refused to accept the referendum result.

Now I get it, it hurts to admit you've been played, but at some point you'll have to accept that the people responsible for this mess are in fact responsible for it. And when every single person who wants Brexit and is involved in it can't see a way clear to deliver it - maybe, just maybe, it's time for a course of action that won't turn the economy into a smoking crater.
How’s you’re collection of tinned meats coming along
 
The problem with your logic is that you make statements, fail to back them up with a link and then go on button mashing trip. How long have you felt inadequate?
Funny I had the same thought about you, a perfect case study of short man syndrome.

Your posts always consist of one part recognition of another person's opinion and a second part an outright dig, which is always delivered with contempt. On the rare occasions you try to be constructive, its to merely cut and paste another person's opinion and pass it off as facts supporting your own non-existent opinions.
 

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The EU has nothing to do with the European economy, in your view?
You were not saying "something to do with" you said they were the economic arm of Europe - they ain't and a major part of their economy is due to leave them soon!
 
Its a fair point, the polls say 20% of the populace are hard remainers and 35% are hard brexiteers. I personally think you would win a second referendum maybe 55-45% as the inbetweeners will have a more stark choice.

The problem with the remainer logic is once A50 is cancelled, does that put the country back together, what happens next ?
What polls would they be? Certainly none of the ones I can find on searches.

The above is a result of poll carried out by Opinium just a week ago. Hard Brexit (WTO rules) gets the most unacceptable rating.

Among Tory MPs, only 8% said a hard Brexit was what they wanted and, indeed, the rest said it was the most unacceptable solution.

That poll is the same as one carried out a year ago which had 52% soft and 48% hard.
The only poll that gives figures anywhere near yours was one carried out among leave voters only.
Yougov, which was showing a 50/50 on whether leaving was right a wrong a year ago (June 2017) now has the same question as 43% saying right and 57% saying wrong.

But I'd appreciate any link giving figures near the one you have stated.
 

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Now that's some quality clutching at straws right there. It wasn't that long ago you were cheerleading her administration and shouting down any suggestions that we were on course for the current mess as traitorous lies spread by those who refused to accept the referendum result.

Now I get it, it hurts to admit you've been played, but at some point you'll have to accept that the people responsible for this mess are in fact responsible for it. And when every single person who wants Brexit and is involved in it can't see a way clear to deliver it - maybe, just maybe, it's time for a course of action that won't turn the economy into a smoking crater.
I admit that we have been duped by a Remainer, but she has been found out now and life is not very comfortable in No10. I stupidly believed her when she said Brexit is Brexit but how telling was it when, at PMQs yesterday, one of her own Tory MPs asked her when Brexit had changed to mean Remain.

Yes the people responsible have been found out and they are Remainers! Whose tenure is very short now.
 

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What polls would they be? Certainly none of the ones I can find on searches.

The above is a result of poll carried out by Opinium just a week ago. Hard Brexit (WTO rules) gets the most unacceptable rating.

Among Tory MPs, only 8% said a hard Brexit was what they wanted and, indeed, the rest said it was the most unacceptable solution.

That poll is the same as one carried out a year ago which had 52% soft and 48% hard.
The only poll that gives figures anywhere near yours was one carried out among leave voters only.
Yougov, which was showing a 50/50 on whether leaving was right a wrong a year ago (June 2017) now has the same question as 43% saying right and 57% saying wrong.

But I'd appreciate any link giving figures near the one you have stated.
Closely followed by staying in the EU, Regulatory Alignment.

Strange that the major part of PMTM's white paper covered Regulatory Alignment!
 
You were not saying "something to do with" you said they were the economic arm of Europe - they ain't and a major part of their economy is due to leave them soon!
Divide and conquer.

You and 17 million other people, varying from mongs to good intentioned, but useful idiots voted for a policy certain to diminish the strength and unity of the UK and Europe.

Putin is laughing at us, as is the rest of the world
 
I admit that we have been duped by a Remainer, but she has been found out now and life is not very comfortable in No10. I stupidly believed her when she said Brexit is Brexit but how telling was it when, at PMQs yesterday, one of her own Tory MPs asked her when Brexit had changed to mean Remain.

Yes the people responsible have been found out and they are Remainers! Whose tenure is very short now.
Ah OK, so all we need to do is call anyone who can't deliver the impossible a remainer and your world view remains intact. At least its consistent, but I fear the implications are lost on you. When everyone in contact with the mechanics of delivering Brexit is transformed - using your definition - into a remainer, maybe you're applying the wrong mental model to the issue.
 
What polls would they be? Certainly none of the ones I can find on searches.

The above is a result of poll carried out by Opinium just a week ago. Hard Brexit (WTO rules) gets the most unacceptable rating.

Among Tory MPs, only 8% said a hard Brexit was what they wanted and, indeed, the rest said it was the most unacceptable solution.

That poll is the same as one carried out a year ago which had 52% soft and 48% hard.
The only poll that gives figures anywhere near yours was one carried out among leave voters only.
Yougov, which was showing a 50/50 on whether leaving was right a wrong a year ago (June 2017) now has the same question as 43% saying right and 57% saying wrong.

But I'd appreciate any link giving figures near the one you have stated.
Another one who uses facts selectively, but since you have the passion for the fox, i read it on Business Insider.

New poll finds the British public have turned against a 'Hard Brexit'
 
It's about weakening Europe Andy.

NATO is the military part
The EU is the economic arm.

If you can't see that weakening the economic ties in Europe is a strategic aim of the Russians then there's no hope for you.

You are engaging in whataboutary in vintage @KGB_resident style
First of all, Brexit is from my point of view a big mistake.
Let's regard 2 possibilities
1. Brexit harms British economy hard.
In this case the mistake would be too apparent to discuss it.
2. Brexit will boost British economy.
But it this case Brexit would instigate the Domino effect. Other economically successful EU countries also would mull their exists. Possible disintegration of the EU would affect NATO. Why do you think some countries entered NATO? Because of future benefits of EU membership. In fact membership in NATO was political condition for membership in the EU. With disintegration of the EU some East European members would seek economic benefits in trade with Russia and will not need NATO as a defensive umbrella.
 
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