Brexit Phase Two - Trade

I don't take issue with high levels of sick.

I take issue that staff are routinely phoning in sick for an overtime shift they've signed up for, and then doing an agency shift to get double pay.
I don't have either evidence or issue with what you say in this regard. There are always some individuals in every walk of life that will take liberties but who do not represent the general population (in this case the population of public sector people who are off sick). So like you, I wouldn't accept the 'moonlighting' claim without some measure of evidence. A proxy measure of potential opportunity might exist by looking at the numbers of 'qualified' practitioners registered with private sector agencies in the various NHS regions, together with a broad regional analysis of 'agency rates' and both NHS vacancies and sickness rates. Regional variation might, and I do place emphasis on 'might' illustrate where a higher use-rate of agency staffing, vis-a-vis availability, rates, vacancies and sickness rates could suggest whether there was any manipulation occurring. I doubt this would be beyond the ability of some of the Arrserotti, but like myself, I am sure they have other things to do. Just a thought.,
 
Self interest?

She's pursuing a political stance that will likely see her out of a job at the next GE, because of what she believes is in the best interests of the UK rather than party.

What self interest do you mean? Clearly she isn't after a promotion to government
She does come across as sincere, although a bit too animated for me. Once we have left the EU, people like her will continue to argue for re-joining, and she should be free to do so. The political establishment have drowned out free debate on important issues like immigration and the EU for too long.
 
I work for a certain multinational IT/Consultancy firm and am constantly propagandised about the wonders of AI and the future of VR. The truth is, its almost entirely a sales pitch for the gullible, where it is real, more often than not the customer doesn't really need it and the old processes worked just as well i.e. spend lots of money to replace A car, with another car which has looks amazing and has lots of amazing gimmicks but for the user, its often hard to drive and to an extent makes them dumber.
I suspect the difference between your company and mine is that mine is investing significant resource in the research. When its your own money is at risk, you don't go for snake oil solutions. Plus, some of the individuals involved have brains the size of planets.

At the moment they're largely going down dead-ends, but their work will bear fruit at some indeterminate time in the future.

Wordsmith
 
I suspect AI will be a bit like the dot.com boom, where companies that didn't make any money were worth extortionate amounts on the stock exchange for simply having 'dot com' in the company name.
It takes a lot of time to develop anything decent beyond simply a concept. But, wordsmith is correct that it will inevitably slowly begin to replace humans, if we let it. Automated plant is already here and why UK Manufacturing is far more efficient, than the continent, excluding the Germans of course.

Quality is better in Europe than the US, so we as always are uniquely situated between the two and why I thought brexit was a final recognition that we need to sit between all the various competing powers and make money off them.
 
Absolutely.

In reality if you look at the problems facing our democracy (I wont say parliament as I find myself questioning if they serve our democracy) then they are rooted in an inability to manage the public sector and control the unions - which still have a significant voice and negotiating/hold Tory Governments to ransom. Public Sector and socialism are intrinsically linked with the unions being a big player in that machine. Its why Thatcher broke their backs, and they are still there. The NHS for example is riddled with it, both culturally, politically and contractually - thats why no-one ever changes it. The disruption that technology brings will make that change - thats why that lunatic I posted and his position is needs flagging to people.

Public Sector is drinking from the tax payers trough. They have their heads firmly stuck in in and they take long deep drinks. People just dont see it.

Lets see how PMTM and this mess pans out. I for one believe we need a new political party with real leadership and conviction - like the Tories used to be when Thatcher was at the helm, and I'm from the North East by the way
Your logic is all to pieces. If Thatcher broke their back show come they're still there? The unions aren't making the cabinet a fecking shambles, it's doing that all by itself. Pointing your finger at what you perceive is wrong with something isn't a justification for the absolute train wreck they've created.
 
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She does come across as sincere, although a bit too animated for me. Once we have left the EU, people like her will continue to argue for re-joining, and she should be free to do so. The political establishment have drowned out free debate on important issues like immigration and the EU for too long.
I have absolutely no problem with people arguing to rejoin the EU. What I don't like is people trying to obstruct and stop the Brexit process. The electorate made a decision in a free and fair referendum and that decision should be respected.

I suspect why people are trying to stop Brexit is the realisation that once out of the EU, it's most improbable we would rejoin. Current EU law would require us to sign up to the euro and Schlengen (free movement). It's also probable that the euro will go splat in the next recession and that the EU will usher in another treaty ceding even more power to Brussels.

No way will the electorate in the UK vote in a referendum to rejoin under those circumstances once we're out.

Wordsmith
 
What a horrible vision of the future you have. Sort of a cross between Asimov and Orwell.
You come over as someone who has been attending presentations by people who talk about "blue sky" and "out of the box" thinking and actually believe it all.
Like the ones I used to attend when I was gainfully employed and told all about the "paperless office" and other jokey things.
Or, many years previously, we would all have jet boots and be commuting to work in vacuum tubes.
Or even earlier and Wilson's "white heat of technology" speech followed by Callaghan telling us all to go home and prepare for leisure as the machines would be doing all the work (over 50 years ago ISTR).

We already have feral and unemployable youths picking on the elderly, moped muggers, multiple stabbings an so on. In your vision (or somebody's vision) we will have more and more complaining of being bored and "nuffink to do" roaming the streets.

And UK is famous for coming up with ideas which are pinched and developed by other countries with a bit more oomph in them.

Yours is not a dream of the future, it's a bloody nightmare.
(Though absolutely bog all to do with leaving the EU but that's pretty much par for the course on this thread).
Tolpuddle Martyr walt.

Who would have thought that the Spinning Jenny would take off?

Steam Engines were the work of Beelzebub.

Not so long ago you would've been considered a fruitloop to predict a hand held device that could communicate to a similar device anywhere on the planet, in addition to it being able to let you link to a series, or Web, of computers world wide and watch X hamster porn.

That these devices aren't the preserve of the super rich, but owned by most if not every Western adult and even school kid, makes it all the more incredible.
 
The Conservative Party has tolerated internal dissent on Europe for decades and this is healthy. It has also had it's share of raving Europhiles (Heseltine, Patten etc). There has been more debate on Europe within the Conservative Party, than any other Party, and the Country at large. It should continue to be a broad church, and there should always be a place for MPs like Soubry.

Cameron allowed MPs to freely express their views during the referendum, and May (to her credit) has continued this, including members of her own Cabinet.

As the Labour Party descends into intolerance and deselection, and threatens the "free press", Europe will continue to be a divisive issue, and dissenting voices (both sides) must be heard.
 
I have absolutely no problem with people arguing to rejoin the EU. What I don't like is people trying to obstruct and stop the Brexit process. The electorate made a decision in a free and fair referendum and that decision should be respected.

I suspect why people are trying to stop Brexit is the realisation that once out of the EU, it's most improbable we would rejoin. Current EU law would require us to sign up to the euro and Schlengen (free movement). It's also probable that the euro will go splat in the next recession and that the EU will usher in another treaty ceding even more power to Brussels.

No way will the electorate in the UK vote in a referendum to rejoin under those circumstances once we're out.

Wordsmith
Free and fair referendum. The leave campaign broke the law and appears to have been orchestrated by the Russians in some part

Braincell thoroughly deserved
 
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Ref: Self interest and an overwhelming sense of entitlement.

On one of the pro-EU boats, Bob Geldof, made gestures and gave a two-fingered salute to the people on the anti-EU boats who were mainly fishermen whose livelihoods have been wrecked by Brussels.
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The Brexit debate has exposed the Establishment | Coffee House
What's your accusations of Soubry acting out of self interest got to do with geldof?

Two different people, you realise?
 
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Ref: Self interest and an overwhelming sense of entitlement.

On one of the pro-EU boats, Bob Geldof, made gestures and gave a two-fingered salute to the people on the anti-EU boats who were mainly fishermen whose livelihoods have been wrecked by Brussels.
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The Brexit debate has exposed the Establishment | Coffee House
The picture says it all and when people wonder why things are a bit naff in the country, look again at the picture of the great and good who rule us.

Entitlement is the killer word, the working classes are NOT entitled to resist anything served up to them. But, anything the other side doesn't like, its an issue to be debated and then agreed should be binned.
 
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