Brexit Phase Two - Trade

I didn't say there was, there is however a group calling for the second referendum, which it seems, wants the public to vote on the deal. In the event that it should happen, it's a parliamentary cop out.
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It’s a weak sauce attempt to overturn Brexit by the back door.
You can be absolutely sure that even the slightest mutter of dissent if the vote had gone the other way, would have seen Remain frothing furiously about ‘the will of the people must be totally respected’
 
Soubry again.

Tory Remain rebel calls for cross-party 'government of national unity' after bid to soften Theresa May's Brexit plan fails
A leading Tory Remain rebel has called for the creation of a cross-party "government of national unity" after a bid by Europhile MPs to soften Theresa May’s Brexit plan was defeated.

Anna Soubry, the former business minister, said Mrs May was no longer “in charge” of her Government and that Brexiteers, led by the prominent Eurosceptic Jacob Rees-Mogg, were “running our country”. She said the nation “simply cannot go on like this” as she suggested there needed to be a new government formed of “sensible” MPs from across the House of Commons.
A government of sensible MP's obviously being those that would reverse Brexit.

About time she had the Tory whip withdrawn. She votes against the government anyway and it would make no difference to the parliamentary arithmetic. Withdrawing the whip from Soubry as an example to others might also restore a little discipline in the Tory party.

Wordsmith
 
Blah blah blah ...trade...wibble...wibble.

Anyways, does this mean I will be getting a blue UK passport next year when I become eligible for it (and decide to apply for it)? I was quite hoping for the current burgundy colored one (which looks great to me) to complement the blue one I already have.

 

skid2

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So, the EU giving the Japanese all they want, in the rush to get trade deals in before they have to allow the UK to sign deals, accepting a lower standard for themselves with a weak, it will be made up in future years bleat, in their statement is your sign of great negotiating? Desperation more like, but it does go to show that the EU can sign deals if it wants to.

The obvious bit is they don't want to sign with the UK as we are still in the punishment phase for leaving the EU.
The shortsighted fools. The Japanese just getting back on their feet and then they find themselves suckered into a massive trade deal with the Eu.

Don’t they realise that the Eu is close to collapse and has the capacity to drag them down with them.
(Not us, cause we’re special, British and brexit makes us immune to any economic fall out)
 

skid2

LE
Book Reviewer
Blah blah blah ...trade...wibble...wibble.

Anyways, does this mean I will be getting a blue UK passport next year when I become eligible for it (and decide to apply for it)? I was quite hoping for the current burgundy colored one (which looks great to me) to complement the blue one I already have.

Lift the wrong one (I’ve done it) and you can find yourself in some pretty frosty territory.different colours are a good idea.
 
Lift the wrong one (I’ve done it) and you can find yourself in some pretty frosty territory.different colours are a good idea.
Hmmm...haven't thought of that (hopefully they will still have the burgundy ones by the time I apply). Tho, you Brits by association are considered the devil too, just slightly less so. ;)
 

skid2

LE
Book Reviewer
The only vote of confidence that will result in a GE is "this house has no confidence in Her Majesty's government". If they lost that, that would result in the dissolution of the house. The last time that happened was when Maggie was in opposition and Callahan's minority government lost the vote of confidence.

If May loses a major vote in the house, she'll lose the leadership of the Tory party, but the Queen is constitutionally obliged to accept any government that can command a majority on the Commons. Which would be the Tory party under a new leader supported by the DUP. They'd probably also use the fixed term parliament act to explain they're obliged to try and serve out five years into the bargain...

The Tories will not go to the country (unless they lose the motion "this house has no confidence in Her Majesty's government") except at a time of their own choosing when they've given themselves the best chance of winning the GE.

Wordsmith

You’ve not been paying attention again. Wishful thinking and fantasy are no grounds for a political future.

No one wants a GE. The Tories will tie themselves in all sorts of knots to avoid it at present, never mind the foreseeable future. I can’t see May going anywhere anytime soon.

Those brave believers in Brexit, no courage, just convictions that have been ripping the Conservative party asunder for 40odd years
These people should be ashamed of themselves, they care nothing for the party and less for the country.
They’re happy to hold her up like a flak jacket while hiding on the back benches.

It’s insane that a bunch of people, who claim to represent their country, They seem to detest foreigners more than they care about their country’s future.
Take a look at them, do any of them look like the sort to be affected by ‘economic turbulence’. Or are about those who are.

The last line ‘at the time of their own choosing, when they’ve given themselves the best chance of winning a GE’.
If only all political parties were so perceptive.
 
yes with absence rates of upwards of 21% in Theatre, Geriatrics and facilities and maternity of 20% of employees between the age of 25 and 40 which means around 40% of them arent in work, no wonder its in the shit.

Then there is the agency fees. Book weekend overtime at 1700 hrs on a friday. Phont in sick at 1730 and get paid for the weekend and work on agency fees at a neighbouring hospital which means you are getting paid twice.

Do you want me to go on? this is all fact by the way
There is a whole industry of our 'wonderful public sector' fleecing those they are alleged to serve and local authorities are at the pinnicle - go take a look at the staff car park of your local council and count the luxury brands - and the bloody place will be full at the weekends when they or their cronies are enjoying free parking while you pay them by coughing up for the priviledge of leaving your car in an unsecured, poorly maintained area. Utter rip-off......where's Gloria Hunniford when you need her. I won't even start on three yellow jackets sitting in a bin lorry at a layby drinking coffee and reading the daily mirror while earning holiday time!
 
There is a whole industry of our 'wonderful public sector' fleecing those they are alleged to serve and local authorities are at the pinnicle - go take a look at the staff car park of your local council and count the luxury brands - and the bloody place will be full at the weekends when they or their cronies are enjoying free parking while you pay them by coughing up for the priviledge of leaving your car in an unsecured, poorly maintained area. Utter rip-off......where's Gloria Hunniford when you need her. I won't even start on three yellow jackets sitting in a bin lorry at a layby drinking coffee and reading the daily mirror while earning holiday time!
Absolutely.

In reality if you look at the problems facing our democracy (I wont say parliament as I find myself questioning if they serve our democracy) then they are rooted in an inability to manage the public sector and control the unions - which still have a significant voice and negotiating/hold Tory Governments to ransom. Public Sector and socialism are intrinsically linked with the unions being a big player in that machine. Its why Thatcher broke their backs, and they are still there. The NHS for example is riddled with it, both culturally, politically and contractually - thats why no-one ever changes it. The disruption that technology brings will make that change - thats why that lunatic I posted and his position is needs flagging to people.

Public Sector is drinking from the tax payers trough. They have their heads firmly stuck in in and they take long deep drinks. People just dont see it.

Lets see how PMTM and this mess pans out. I for one believe we need a new political party with real leadership and conviction - like the Tories used to be when Thatcher was at the helm, and I'm from the North East by the way
 
You’ve not been paying attention again. Wishful thinking and fantasy are no grounds for a political future.

No one wants a GE. The Tories will tie themselves in all sorts of knots to avoid it at present, never mind the foreseeable future. I can’t see May going anywhere anytime soon.

Those brave believers in Brexit, no courage, just convictions that have been ripping the Conservative party asunder for 40odd years
These people should be ashamed of themselves, they care nothing for the party and less for the country.
They’re happy to hold her up like a flak jacket while hiding on the back benches.

It’s insane that a bunch of people, who claim to represent their country, They seem to detest foreigners more than they care about their country’s future.
Take a look at them, do any of them look like the sort to be affected by ‘economic turbulence’. Or are about those who are.

The last line ‘at the time of their own choosing, when they’ve given themselves the best chance of winning a GE’.
If only all political parties were so perceptive.
I must admit that the 'sum of all the fears' constantly being propagated by both sides in the Brexit connundum has made me think about an entirely new vision for this disunited kingdom. What if we:
Abandoned our discredited 'first past the post' electoral system and substituted a more inclusive, more representative PR system?
What if we: Abandoned our illusiory pretentions to still being a top tier military power and led the way for a truely defensive role for our armed forces together with the development of a properly effective international body replace the ineffective alliance that is, in any event, another dead duck.
What if we: Focused on the genuine regeneration of our outdated provincial cities and the welfare, through education, training and employment of their populations.
What if we: Relocated the seat of government to middle England to a purpose built fit for purpose environment with appropriate communications networks that facilitated further economic diversification and redistribution.
What if we: Refocused our attention on modern manufacuring methods to increase the scope of that part of our economy while meddling less in the affairs of others. Indeed, success in the wole scope of these hanges could be used to expand even further our 'service' sector' withe the trade in resultant expertise.

It would, of course, take vision, a change in the way we Brits see ourselves on the world stage, a lot of tme and a lot of money.......and it would.nt be easy. So, sooner we start, the better........time to consider ourselves as genuinely a 'post industrual' nation that, nevertheless, demonstrates a different type of 'post nationalist' humanity.
 
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It’s a weak sauce attempt to overturn Brexit by the back door.
You can be absolutely sure that even the slightest mutter of dissent if the vote had gone the other way, would have seen Remain frothing furiously about ‘the will of the people must be totally respected’
at the moment it is, but the next test isn't parliament, it's the EU. If they handle this better than we expect then May has outwitted all, notwithstanding I agree with much of DD and JRM.
 

skid2

LE
Book Reviewer
Hmmm...haven't thought of that (hopefully they will still have the burgundy ones by the time I apply). Tho, you Brits by association are considered the devil too, just slightly less so. ;)
I don’t think they’ll make the dark blue ones compulsory. They’ll probably only give them to Brexit loonies to get them a hard time at borders and reinforce their victim mentality, post (we haven’t really left) Brexit.
 
There is a whole industry of our 'wonderful public sector' fleecing those they are alleged to serve and local authorities are at the pinnicle - go take a look at the staff car park of your local council and count the luxury brands - and the bloody place will be full at the weekends when they or their cronies are enjoying free parking while you pay them by coughing up for the priviledge of leaving your car in an unsecured, poorly maintained area. Utter rip-off......where's Gloria Hunniford when you need her. I won't even start on three yellow jackets sitting in a bin lorry at a layby drinking coffee and reading the daily mirror while earning holiday time!


But he doesn't have any evidence to support his point. It doesn't even make sense when you think a bit and consider maternity pay is minimal, sick leave procedures etc.
 
I must admit that the 'sum of all the fears' constantly being propagated by both sides in the Brexit connundum has made me think about an entirely new vision for this disunited kingdom. What if we:
Abandoned our discredited 'first past the post' electoral system and substituted a more inclusive, more representative PR system?
Abandoned our illusiory pretentions to still being a top tier military power and led the way for a truely defensive role for our armed forces together with the development of a properly effective international body replace the ineffective alliance that is, in any event, another dead duck.
Focused on the genuine regeneration of our outdated provincial cities and the welfare, through education, training and employment of their populations.
Relocated the seat of government to middle England to a purpose built fit for purpose environment with appropriate communications networks that facilitated further economic diversification and redistribution.
Refocused our attention on modern manufacuring methods to increase the scope of that part of our economy while meddling less in the affairs of others. Indeed, success in the wole scope of these hanges could be used to expand even further our 'service' sector' withe the trade in resultant expertise.

It would, of course, take vision, a change in the way we Brits see ourselves on the world stage, a lot of tme and a lot of money.......and it would.nt be easy. So, sooner we start, the better........time to consider ourselves as genuinely a 'post industrual' nation that, nevertheless, demonstrates a different type of 'post nationalist' humanity.
Britain is a second rate former colonial power with the legacy of a global empire. The thing that built that empire was the fact that we were a sea faring nation and a trading nation. The British East India compnay built the British empire in reality.

if you look at today's British East India companies, they are Google, Amazon, Microsoft and facebook and the Global Economic power is the United States. Trade is data driven and the western economies are primarily service and technology orientated. The global manufacturing base has shifted from the Clyde, the Tyne and the Wear which built 80% of the worlds shipping tonnage and we have seen a massive rebalance between east and west with a change inthe global landscape re manufacturing and services industries.

We are undoubtedly facing a Fourth Industrial Revolution, which is what is quoted regularly in the press. data is the new oil. The UK is a hotbed of technological innovation - on a par with the US in reality, but we have lost our drive to trade globally and appear to be accepting we are a tier 2 player.

The UK needs to grasp the opportunity facing it and look to trade globally. It also needs to play in the global technology space. The EU prevents both - because of its heavily regulated environments. The EU is a socialist experiment, and socialism doesnt fit well with trading nations. China and Russia are not socialist states - they are global trading nations and global military powers. Both are dictatorships - one elected, and one not.

The UK has an amazing opportunity facing it - it needs to face outwards and look for growth, rather than face inwards and not get its nose out of the 'problem trough'. If it doesnt do that, it will lose its opportunity to be right up there as a global player in the Fourth Industrial Revolution.

Just saying..
 
But he doesn't have any evidence to support his point. It doesn't even make sense when you think a bit and consider maternity pay is minimal, sick leave procedures etc.
look at absence costs at Greater Glasgow NHS Board - £80m/annum across 38,000 staff (excluding agency fees and maternity).

160,000 staff in NHS Scotland
1.4m in NHS England.

Do some sums fella.

Google Agency fees NHS and weep.
 
look at absence costs at Greater Glasgow NHS Board - £80m/annum across 38,000 staff (excluding agency fees and maternity).

160,000 staff in NHS Scotland
1.4m in NHS England.

Do some sums fella.

Google Agency fees NHS and weep.

I assume you've never had a job outside of the army and that's why you believe the stories you've been told.

Its not unlimited sick pay out or maternity leave on usually salary here, Sim. I'm also not sure sick leave is paid for overtime...

And again back to the data - which happens to make up the bulk of my day job - you are going beyond it, again.
 
I assume you've never had a job outside of the army and that's why you believe the stories you've been told.

Its not unlimited sick pay out or maternity leave on usually salary outside here Sim.
They arent statistics. These are published financial facts extracted from the accounting and HR systems that run the NHS.

Statstics can be manipulated and are effectively forecasts with assumptions and trends built in and around them.

Data is fact. The numbers I am quoting are data not statistics. They are firm fact.
 

skid2

LE
Book Reviewer
I must admit that the 'sum of all the fears' constantly being propagated by both sides in the Brexit connundum has made me think about an entirely new vision for this disunited kingdom. What if we:
Abandoned our discredited 'first past the post' electoral system and substituted a more inclusive, more representative PR system?
What if we: Abandoned our illusiory pretentions to still being a top tier military power and led the way for a truely defensive role for our armed forces together with the development of a properly effective international body replace the ineffective alliance that is, in any event, another dead duck.
What if we: Focused on the genuine regeneration of our outdated provincial cities and the welfare, through education, training and employment of their populations.
What if we: Relocated the seat of government to middle England to a purpose built fit for purpose environment with appropriate communications networks that facilitated further economic diversification and redistribution.
What if we: Refocused our attention on modern manufacuring methods to increase the scope of that part of our economy while meddling less in the affairs of others. Indeed, success in the wole scope of these hanges could be used to expand even further our 'service' sector' withe the trade in resultant expertise.

It would, of course, take vision, a change in the way we Brits see ourselves on the world stage, a lot of tme and a lot of money.......and it would.nt be easy. So, sooner we start, the better........time to consider ourselves as genuinely a 'post industrual' nation that, nevertheless, demonstrates a different type of 'post nationalist' humanity.
Couldn’t agree more, stand by for incoming.
It’s one of the things that has really hacked me off about brexit. It’s laid bare what we have become. It’s certainly made our closest neighbours rethink their attitudes towards us. It’s shown how little influence we have and it’s done our reputation nothing but harm.

There’s a cracking book by Will Hutton and Andrew Adonis, which spreads out the very points you’ve made. ‘Saving Britain’, I think and it’s almost criminal how much money has been poured into London and the South east at the expense of everywhere else.

I’ve a house yards from the Irish Sea, I’ve got broadband, yet there are places in England which don’t have a mobile phone signal.

The games not straight
 
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