Brexit Phase Two - Trade

Because that's life. The Tories made their most disastrous decision in a generation what they put May in as leader. The Brexit f--k up has stemmed from that. As @History_Man has just pointed out, there are options that get the country and the Tories out of deep smeg - all are predicated on them getting shot of May. Do that and the situation might start to improve rapidly.

Even a strongly pro-Brexit supporter such as I would go for a strictly time limited Norway solution to give time to put sensible exit arrangements in place. If we formally exit the EU in March of next year into a 4 year 'Norway' and sensible arrangements are negotiated before March 2023 for a mutually beneficial total break from the EU, I can live with that.

What matters to me is exiting the EU. If it takes a little longer but both sides are better off for it, c'est la vie.

Wordsmith
Are you now accepting that Art 50 or the transition period may be extended (or possibly both)?

Because just the other week you weren't.
 
That leader would then have a relatively clear run up to the 2022 GE with the Norway option preventing post-Brexit turbulence after March of next year. That would give the Tories a good chance of winning the GE.
Wordsmith
Not going to happen, Cameron called the referendum at the wrong time in both the Political and Economic cycles.

This Country should be working towards getting on its feet. Austerity the policy of George Osborn has failed,

The Bank of England has held interest rates are record lows now for over a decade and is still shovelling out money with QE.

Brexit has subsumed the Tories, in the mean time they are losing the Country with a stagnant economy

In my little part of the world there was an Town election for a Town Councillor last week, the Ward represented would have included a social mix but mainly homeowners on newish estate with a high employment rate

2017
Tories 301
Lib Dem 260
Lab 111


Last week 2018
Tories 223
Lib Dem 258
Lab 156

Not a monumental earthquake in the political world but possibly a talisman for the future

Archie
 

Joker62

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Book Reviewer
And a grateful nation breathes a sigh of relief while the Euroloons go into meltdown. For another forty years, Farage thanks his lucky stars and returns to his vastly overpaid and underworked role as an MEP.

Banks suddenly finds himself with a cash flow problem and UKIP form Wetherspoon units. Nobody cares and people avoid the pubs when they’re having their SA meetings on a Wednesday night.
What is it with you, baggy and the crustacean's fixation with Wetherspoons? Is it the last bastion of Remain refuge?
Here you go, one in your neck of the woods although there others around the Province:-
Pubs In Belfast - The Bridge House - J D Wetherspoon
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skid2

LE
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What is it with you, baggy and the crustacean's fixation with Wetherspoons? Is it the last bastion of Remain refuge?

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It’s where the ukippers are due to form up before their torchlit march with pitchforks and piano wire on Westminster.
The one who owns it being a brexiter, the eurolooons think they’ve something in common.
 

Joker62

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It’s where the ukippers are due to form up before their torchlit march with pitchforks and piano wire on Westminster.
The one who owns it being a brexiter, the eurolooons think they’ve something in common.
Really? My local one was where the local Lib Dems had their party after the local by election, don't see too many of them campaigning with torches, pitchforks and piano wire for leaving the EU.

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skid2

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Really? My local one was where the local Lib Dems had their party after the local by election, don't see too many of them campaigning with torches, pitchforks and piano wire for leaving the EU.

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Don’t tell the ukippers. Those liberals are probably drinking fancy imported beer and wine.
 
article 50 end date can't be adjusted without unanimous support from 27 states... No chance. Extension of transition would need the broad agreement of 28. And also affects the next EUro-financial seven year plan.
Already had an invitation to do just that, funnily enough.
 
Er... the Lisbon Treaty?

Have you any idea what you're talking about?

No, please don't answer that. I think I already know.
It's alleged, although not confirmed that the EU MS are open to withdrawal of A50.

Not calling for the PM to do such a thing myself.

Just speculating about the possible scenarios
 
Are you now accepting that Art 50 or the transition period may be extended (or possibly both)?

Because just the other week you weren't.
article 50 end date can't be adjusted without unanimous support from 27 states... No chance. Extension of transition would need the broad agreement of 28. And also affects the next EUro-financial seven year plan.
Tired_Tech has effectively answered you.

1) No way can the Article 50 end date be extended.

2) A 4 Year Norway might be possible as minds get concentrated by the rapidly approaching hard Brexit date. I suspect an element of pragmatism will creep in.

But that would probably require May to get binned at this end and Juncker/Barnier/Verhofstadt to get binned at the other end. Possible as there are 27 other heads of state looking at a potentially significant interruption to trade and job losses on both sides of the channel. In those circumstances, chopping off four heads might appear a sensible option.

Wordsmith
 
Because that's life. The Tories made their most disastrous decision in a generation what they put May in as leader. The Brexit f--k up has stemmed from that. As @History_Man has just pointed out, there are options that get the country and the Tories out of deep smeg - all are predicated on them getting shot of May. Do that and the situation might start to improve rapidly.

Even a strongly pro-Brexit supporter such as I would go for a strictly time limited Norway solution to give time to put sensible exit arrangements in place. If we formally exit the EU in March of next year into a 4 year 'Norway' and sensible arrangements are negotiated before March 2023 for a mutually beneficial total break from the EU, I can live with that.

What matters to me is exiting the EU. If it takes a little longer but both sides are better off for it, c'est la vie.

Wordsmith
Spoken like a truly swivel eyed ideologue.
Not going to happen, Cameron called the referendum at the wrong time in both the Political and Economic cycles.

This Country should be working towards getting on its feet. Austerity the policy of George Osborn has failed,

The Bank of England has held interest rates are record lows now for over a decade and is still shovelling out money with QE.

Brexit has subsumed the Tories, in the mean time they are losing the Country with a stagnant economy

In my little part of the world there was an Town election for a Town Councillor last week, the Ward represented would have included a social mix but mainly homeowners on newish estate with a high employment rate

2017
Tories 301
Lib Dem 260
Lab 111


Last week 2018
Tories 223
Lib Dem 258
Lab 156

Not a monumental earthquake in the political world but possibly a talisman for the future

Archie
Brexit will put the Tories out of government at the next election.

A socialist government awaits...
 

Joker62

ADC
Book Reviewer
Tired_Tech has effectively answered you.

1) No way can the Article 50 end date be extended.

2) A 4 Year Norway might be possible as minds get concentrated by the rapidly approaching hard Brexit date. I suspect an element of pragmatism will creep in.

But that would probably require May to get binned at this end and Juncker/Barnier/Verhofstadt to get binned at the other end. Possible as there are 27 other heads of state looking at a potentially significant interruption to trade and job losses on both sides of the channel. In those circumstances, chopping off four heads might appear a sensible option.

Wordsmith
Of course it can. It has to be by agreement, though.

You're now proposing 2023?
 
The people voted democratically to have their legs broken so that is what they must have...no I insist! The screams of pain will be satisfying to thinking people.
 

skid2

LE
Book Reviewer
Somebody’s got their head screwed on. Trumps behaviour in Brussels, chequers and Helsinki.

Where are we, instead of leaning in and using our influence and clout to regulate a pan European response against Putin.
We’re running around with our thumbs up our bums, reminding ourselves and everyone else how ineffective and irrelevant we’ve become.
Well done Brexit.
 
alledgedley now that TM has caved to the brexiteer amdts - the tory remainers and Labour are tonight going to vote those amdts down! - if this happens then I think that the only option is to cull May
 
Somebody’s got their head screwed on. Trumps behaviour in Brussels, chequers and Helsinki.

Where are we, instead of leaning in and using our influence and clout to regulate a pan European response against Putin.
We’re running around with our thumbs up our bums, reminding ourselves and everyone else how ineffective and irrelevant we’ve become.
Well done Brexit.
Haha - good one mate!, didnt know you were a comedian! the chances of anyone, least of all us, convincing Frau Merkhel to stop supporting Putin by buying all his gas and spending next to feck all on her defence forces are exacctly nil! likewise with nearl all of the rest who dont give 2 hoots about Putin as long as the UK continues to subsidise them and the USA to protect them
 
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