Brexit Phase Two - Trade

Wordsmith

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The saving grace in all this is that May may have created a situation where hard Brexit is inevitable. Which, although it will create considerable economic turbulence in the short term, will almost certainly help the UK in the long term.

We will no longer be bound by EU rules so can set whatever levels of tax and bin whatever EU regulations we want and there’s f-all the EU can do.

We can sign whatever trade agreements we want and the EU can’t stop us. Trump will sign one rapidly just to spite the EU.

We can put in a soft border for the ROI and dare the EU to put in a hard border on their side.

The EU is very limited in its responses as it’s bound by WTO rules and could be fined heavily if it differentiates against the UK.

Etc, etc...

May was clearly trying to get us to leave the EU in name only. Due to her utter incompetence, she may actually have rendered the UK totally independent of the EU. The very reverse of her intentions.

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rampant

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The saving grace in all this is that May may have created a situation where hard Brexit is inevitable. Which, although it will create considerable economic turbulence in the short term, will almost certainly help the UK in the long term.

We will no longer be bound by EU rules so can set whatever levels of tax and bin whatever EU regulations we want and there’s f-all the EU can do.

We can sign whatever trade agreements we want and the EU can’t stop us. Trump will sign one rapidly just to spite the EU.

We can put in a soft border for the ROI and dare the EU to put in a hard border on their side.

The EU is very limited in its responses as it’s bound by WTO rules and could be fined heavily if it differentiates against the UK.

Etc, etc...

May was clearly trying to get us to leave the EU in name only. Due to her utter incompetence, she may actually have rendered the UK totally independent of the EU. The very reverse of her intentions.

Wordsmith
Never asked but what regulations do you specifically want rid of?
 
The saving grace in all this is that May may have created a situation where hard Brexit is inevitable. Which, although it will create considerable economic turbulence in the short term, will almost certainly help the UK in the long term.

We will no longer be bound by EU rules so can set whatever levels of tax and bin whatever EU regulations we want and there’s f-all the EU can do.

We can sign whatever trade agreements we want and the EU can’t stop us. Trump will sign one rapidly just to spite the EU.

We can put in a soft border for the ROI and dare the EU to put in a hard border on their side.

The EU is very limited in its responses as it’s bound by WTO rules and could be fined heavily if it differentiates against the UK.

Etc, etc...

May was clearly trying to get us to leave the EU in name only. Due to her utter incompetence, she may actually have rendered the UK totally independent of the EU. The very reverse of her intentions.

Wordsmith
When you say the EU 'could be fined heavily if it differentiates against the UK', what goods, and which countries do you have in mind?

I.E. Which countries deal with the EU on WTO terms and supply goods to the EU which the UK also does?
 
Has anyone come up with an positive, real life actual benefit of Brexit yet.

Something tangiable, something we can all hang our hats on and say good job that at least we achieved something.
There has to be more to it than we dislike foreigners more than we like our country.
Population growth will slow down when proper controls are put in place to stem Immigration.

Your grand children will get a school place.

You will be able to be seen by a GP

You may just about get a pension. Just.

We will be able to deport nutters, muderers, rapists and religious fanatics.

We will make our own laws

We will have control of our own states

We can rebuild many of our industries, which have been massacred by the EU decimating things like fishing.

Shall I go on?
 

Wordsmith

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Never asked but what regulations do you specifically want rid of?
I can’t give any specific examples but the EU regulations we have implemented contain a mixture of the very useful and the crap. Going through them will be the work of many years. We should progressively decide what we should keep and what we should bin.

Complying with regulations is an overhead for businesses. Stripping back the regulations to the minimum required to do the job reduces costs and makes businesses more competitive.

More competitive businesses generate more jobs, profits and taxes. If the government collects more taxes, it can afford better public services.

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Wordsmith

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When you say the EU 'could be fined heavily if it differentiates against the UK', what goods, and which countries do you have in mind?

I.E. Which countries deal with the EU on WTO terms and supply goods to the EU which the UK also does?
That question can only be answered if the EU discriminates against the UK after Brexit.

A classic ongoing case is China v the USA. China has appealed Trump’s tariffs to the WTO.

Wordsmith
 
Are you another one wishing to piss the UK's future welfare up the wall for the sake of an internal Tory feud?
There is a big world of trade out there. The U.K. always was a trading nation - it’s how we built the empire. It’s companies that build economies as business will always find a way of trading. It’s what business does. There may be a slow down, but not much I suspect and we will get over it. Things will be different. Many people fear change. I for one do not - it’s a good thing
 
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Never asked but what regulations do you specifically want rid of?
How about he new regulations the EU is laying down to regulate my favourite subject into non existence - artificial intelligence.

If you look at China - no regulation.
The US - regulation to encourage investment, use of AI in business and growth.
Europe - currently on a path to placing Europe in an economic boxing ring with its hands tied behind its back.

AI is cited as the fourth industrial revolution. The regulation that is coming out of Brussels will see high growth companies in the U.K. strangled. A huge mistake.
 
Dear me.
I don't believe at this stage of the game, that the remain voters still actually believe the guff from the Gruniad and the FT.o_O
Why not? You still believe stuff from Ripping Yarns.
 

Wordsmith

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How about he new regulations the EU is laying down to regulate my favourite subject into non existence - artificial intelligence.

If you look at China - no regulation.
The US - regulation to encourage investment, use of AI in business and growth.

AI is cited as the fourth industrial revolution. The regulation that is coming out of Brussels will see high growth companies in the U.K. strangled. A huge mistake.
Just sat through a presentation of how AI could be used in my area of IT. General conclusion was that the technology is coming but not yet mature enough.

My company is researching it to make sure we don’t get left behind. The research is being done in the UK at present. If we’re ever forbidden by EU regulations, the research would just be transferred to our American subsidiary.

Wordsmith
 
Just sat through a presentation of how AI could be used in my area of IT. General conclusion was that the technology is coming but not yet mature enough.

My company is researching it to make sure we don’t get left behind. The research is being done in the UK at present. If we’re ever forbidden by EU regulations, the research would just be transferred to our American subsidiary.

Wordsmith
So EU regulations aren't preventing UK research?
 
Just sat through a presentation of how AI could be used in my area of IT. General conclusion was that the technology is coming but not yet mature enough.

My company is researching it to make sure we don’t get left behind. The research is being done in the UK at present. If we’re ever forbidden by EU regulations, the research would just be transferred to our American subsidiary.

Wordsmith
That depends on the application areas I trust you are aware. AI is on the same fast track as RPA and will overtake it within three years.

I sat and listened for an hour to the global SVP for service development at Solway - a French global multi national who talked about what they are doing with AI. No business case and they have taken the plunge as they have no choice as they compete in the global economy. They are working with a French startup who do what we do. They expect that by 2019, they will have a single AI platform operating globally and supporting 32 language operating in every country.

This stuff is here fella and it’s coming fast. What i heard at Solway is not untypical. Take a look at the regulation that’s being proposed by the EU. It’s absolute b0ll0cks and demonstrates no understanding of a wave of technology that will change lives, business and economies
 
And this is the sort of garbage May has to put up with when she’s attempting to not wreck a country and deal with Trump at the same time
Brexiters plan to force release of David Davis's rival white paper
why?

- the 'real' white paper was worked on for months by the Department for Exiting the EU so one would imagine they would have a much better handle on the data that sat squarely under their remit!

- the one drawn up by Olly Robbins was based (and biased!) on backdoor comms with the EU and shaped by what they think the EU may accept - in essence what he thinks is the answer rather than a detailed strategy paper providing background, strengths & weaknesses, supporting data, options and recommendations for consideration by the Cabinet.

The one thing that is now abundantly clear from the resignation letters and interviews is that Theresa May approached Brexit with a defeatist mindset from the start and hasn't attempted to use the UKs strengths in negotiations. Rather, she went straight to what she 'assumed' she would get.

I've got no idea what is in the white paper - but neither has TM! that's the point!! she wasn't prepared to listen to it before charging ahead with Olly Robbins BRINO plan
 

Auld-Yin

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So EU regulations aren't preventing UK research?
I think he did not say they are but that there is a potential for that to happen.

You obviously have connections with the highest levels of government in the EU, so will you make a binding guarantee now that the EU will not impede UK research in any way?

You might add a bit on the sanctions that the EU could face if they did do so.
 

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