You are incorrect, Orwell was disgusted with the intelligentsias view that it was something "slightly disgraceful in being an Englishman" - I just updated that view, that the remainers are in the same vein.
Not being English, you can update all you like, its still rubbish. While you're rattling on about a load of old guff about how Orwell felt about people's cooperation. Try reading Homage to Catalonia.
What he really disliked were commissars and Russians subverting the cause for their own game.
Sound familiar Tovarich.
Unlike some, I have no particular feelings for or against politicians and I assume they're much of a muchness here and in the EU. I probably expected there'd be fuckups by both sides, it seems to be the nature of politics.
I expected that we'd probably be worse off, as a country, for a period after Brexit but supposed, and still suppose, that we'll somehow muddle through.
I also thought it would be a case for Theresa May to go down in history. Whether it'll be in a good or bad way is yet to be seen. Probably bad, the way things appear to be going.
I've not changed my reasoning for voting to leave though and would do so again if a referendum started from this point in time, with the way things stand.
Please note that at no time in my posting history on this thread have I used any slogans, any soundbitery, any insults or any argument ad hom.
And I haven't got angry with people who hold a different point of view.
Being an idiot is something you should add to your aspirations list, onwards and upwards.
I've seen precious little of those values being represented by some member of this board. The point is though, they're why Turkey wasn't in with a shout for a half century or so. Why Poland and Hungary are getting sent to the naughty seat.
Maybe, but we did a really bad job of spreading it around. There were places I the UK where the likes of a sniff of Article 2 would have been greatly appreciated. And not just the obvious one.
Nothing would have saved Glasgow.