Brexit Phase Two - Trade

I have read Orwells road to wigan pier and his other books, also read das capital... But, I admit, you have crushed me completely I surrender. The intellectual pantheon of random twatter commentary and a cut and paste of some wishful phrases to justify the creation of the EU puts us all in our place.

Will they have us back, we beg you graculus to intercede on our behalf.

Your English is much better than my Russian, but you're still not quite there.
 
Have you ever made a fool of yourself, because I think I've found your soft spot. I've always found that when you stop appologising and the logic starts to sink in people respect you more.

Everyone makes a fool of themselves from time to time, Leo. I don't understand what you're trying to say.
 
I don't think you would, far too well mannered for my company ;-)
Thing is, interesting as current affairs is, you and I (and other Arrsers) have next to zero influence on Brexit or owt else. Modern news creates an illusion that we are involved but, in reality, we are as unimportant as the medieval serfs working the fields as the nobility rode by. Brexit, wars, everything happens to us. Therefore, let's be amicable :)
 
I have read Orwells road to wigan pier and his other books, also read das capital... But, I admit, you have crushed me completely I surrender. The intellectual pantheon of random twatter commentary and a cut and paste of some wishful phrases to justify the creation of the EU puts us all in our place.

Will they have us back, we beg you graculus to intercede on our behalf.
That's not wishful thinking, that's Article 2 of the TEU.

Now, do you have any evidence to support your bold assertions? apart from having read RTWP and other books. His essays are the essential reading BTW.

Going by your posting you appear to have read, inwardly digested and live by Ulysses. You're not related to Leo are you? You remind me of someone I know BTW....just saying....
 
You're making stuff up. Stop it. You do not know what Orwell would have thought, you do not know how he would have viewed the EU. This might help though:
Possibly because it doesn't appear to be true.

The Lisbon Treaty, which changed our constitution, should in my view have needed ratification by referendum.

In this case at least, it would appear that democracy is not a principle that the 'EU' is especially fond of, lest it should produce a wrong decision.
 
Have you ever made a fool of yourself, because I think I've found your soft spot. I've always found that when you stop appologising and the logic starts to sink in people respect you more.
I was going to ask what his Sri Lankan was like....
 
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That's not wishful thinking, that's Article 2 of the TEU.

Now, do you have any evidence to support your bold assertions? apart from having read RTWP and other books. His essays are the essential reading BTW.

Going by your posting you appear to have read, inwardly digested and live by Ulysses. You're not related to Leo are you? You remind me of someone I know BTW....just saying....
I mentioned Orwell because he would be a natural remainer, he was a socialist, I am sure he would have supported that article... But, he was also a democrat and would have seen immediately, the moment the EU commission and institutions began to shift away from the people and hence supported leaving the EU.

Economic arguments would not even register, because there are higher virtues. He would likely oppose the present course of brexit, but then I would reply to him, win the next election and change direction again. That is democracy.
 
Thing is, interesting as current affairs is, you and I (and other Arrsers) have next to zero influence on Brexit or owt else. Modern news creates an illusion that we are involved but, in reality, we are as unimportant as the medieval serfs working the fields as the nobility rode by. Brexit, wars, everything happens to us. Therefore, let's be amicable :)
I always try to treat people as I'm treated, hence what may appear to be wildly different posting styles. I can see no reason to be amicable towards 18whatever and other sundry trolls, there's a certain kind of UKIPper I don't like as well, much prefer the honesty of the ones I personally know.

I believe we do affect things, I've seen it happening, even if only tangentially. I know that the wishes of the NI Protestant population affected the GFA quite a lot, even before their elected representatives spoke up.
 
I don't love the EU, I love having a job that pays my mortgage. I am currently faced with the possibility that a bunch of retards who think it's the 18th century will force through a Brexit deal that will wipe out the industry I work in. Are you truly so broken brained you think I and everyone else affected will just accept that? Doubly so when the Brexit promised to people who voted for it included precisely zero job losses?
You do love the EU. There's no reason you will lose your job, how will Brexit destroy your industry? If not brexit, then I'm sure a blip in the EU finances may have done for you too. You could always work to ensure brexit is a success rather than sneering from the benches. Nobody, but NOBODY said that there would be no job losses or downsides. But then nobody told our fishing industries, etc, that the EU would have f*cked them hard up the a*sr (dry) either.
 
I mentioned Orwell because he would be a natural remainer, he was a socialist, I am sure he would have supported that article... But, he was also a democrat and would have seen immediately, the moment the EU commission and institutions began to shift away from the people and hence supported leaving the EU.

Economic arguments would not even register, because there are higher virtues. He would likely oppose the present course of brexit, but then I would reply to him, win the next election and change direction again. That is democracy.
Again, you can't speak for Orwell. Go to his essays, read his comments on nationalism. You'll note that I'm not telling you what he would or wouldn't support, I'm telling you to stop making stuff up , that's all.
 
You do love the EU. There's no reason you will lose your job, how will Brexit destroy your industry? If not brexit, then I'm sure a blip in the EU finances may have done for you too. You could always work to ensure brexit is a success rather than sneering from the benches. Nobody, but NOBODY said that there would be no job losses or downsides. But then nobody told our fishing industries, etc, that the EU would have f*cked them hard up the a*sr (dry) either.
Brexiteers, always have somebody else or thing to blame....

Man up eh?
 

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Orwell talked about a certain type of person in the British Establishment, who always see the best in foreign and carp and ridicule the country, they are supposed to serve.

He was disgusted at the time, I would suspect he would be astonished how that "I am clever and the working classes are stupid" class has expanded and he would be even more disgusted with the present remainers.
That would have been what, Burma days which bears so little relevance to the current reality it's largely pointless.
The numbers of people who voted and the closeness of the outcome would mean that it wasn't exactly a class struggle.

Look at the leavers it's hardly the Comintern, Gove, Johnson, Farage , Banks ok maybe not Banks
 

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