Brexit Phase Two - Trade

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All the usual suspects in the media seem to be dragging up all the anti-brexit stories they can muster. One last push or are newspaper sales of anti-brexit organs nosediving now they realise they've finally lost ;).:cheers:
I didn't believe the Airbus story I was waiting to have you verify it to go along with the robot jobs and the fact that an aircraft builder was actually selling aircraft. ( I wonder who will be doing the invoicing, the Northern Irish or the Canadians. I suppose from wherever the tariffs are lowest)
 

But that's not what cloth bomber said.

Actually its funny, and a bit like when Dred said leaving the EU would benefit UK pharma industry, yet we've now lost the EU medicines agency.

Leavers don't like experts, unless they have some tenuous link to the industry they claim to be an expert on, like sell insurance to drugs companies, or tightened bolts on planes some forty years ago.
 
Airbus to lift plane production in China yup. Being going around for six months or more. And Boeing moving too. So an emerging market may have enticed firms in to their parlour with offers of deals in return for investment?
Its also spectacularly stupid. China has a long record of stealing Western technology secrets from plants built in China. Expect to see a Chinese aircraft built using purloined Airbus technology inside a decade.

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Italy's parliament has revolving doors, it's had over 60 changes of government since ww2.

Europe doesn't seem to get too annoyed when they start throwing the plates of pasta around.
When you reported a similar stunt less than a month ago it was dealt with and Europe didn't worry overmuch or collapse in a heap.

And now you seem to take some sort of joy at a country or two, our neighbours and NATO allies having some serious social and economic problems .

This is what I dislike about Brexit, it has normalised nasty, unBritish and thuggish behaviour. It has cracked this country.

Dragging seriously ill MPs into the HoC to vote in person.

Threats of violence and abuse at people with a different opinion or the wrong sort of judicial independence or parliamentary sovereignty.
Does that look like the action of a government that's winning?
Or confident and in control?
UnBritish :) perhaps if were weren't so British (a Victorian creation), the country wouldn't be going down the toilet.. We need to get back to the buccaneering spirit of our English ancestors, who created an empire in the first place.
 

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UnBritish :) perhaps if were weren't so British (a Victorian creation), the country wouldn't be going down the toilet.. We need to get back to the buccaneering spirit of our English ancestors, who created an empire in the first place.
As I suggested along those lines right at the start of brexit but was scoffed at by EU acolytes. My feeling stands and it is (passed the) time to show some backbone and actually stand up to the EU negotiators. I realise that Barnier will be put back in his box at the Council of Europe next week as per normal but he is the main block to any agreement as the only word he knows is "No"!
 

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UnBritish :) perhaps if were weren't so British (a Victorian creation), the country wouldn't be going down the toilet.. We need to get back to the buccaneering spirit of our English ancestors, who created an empire in the first place.
We had that, singeing the King of Spain's beard. The agricultural and industrial revolution. You're about 5 centuries late, pretty modern thinking for a brexiter.

You do realise the buccaneers were pirates. And which part of the planet do you suggest we Empireise?
Gruinard? (Not the paper)
 
let's see what happens next month. Poland warns proposed eurozone budget 'could be the END of the EU' Poland warns proposed eurozone budget 'could be the end of the EU' | Daily Mail Online meanwhile. Apparently the EU can do two speed membership...
Eastern Europe is not at risk of collapse when the next recession rolls along because most countries are not eurozone members and have relatively low levels of public debt. However, the eurozone countries who are most likely to default on their debt are in southern Europe - where the EU wants to shift funds to.

It's more stupidity by the EU - the sums of money involved are much too small to make much difference to a country like Italy - the country most likely to fail after Greece. But they're significant enough to ensure that the V4 countries will now vote as a bloc to oppose a number of decision that require QMV. And they'll surely block any decision requiring unanimous assent.

The EU realising it's got an unfixable problem and floundering around in a vain hope to do so.

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We had that, singeing the King of Spain's beard. The agricultural and industrial revolution. You're about 5 centuries late, pretty modern thinking for a brexiter.

You do realise the buccaneers were pirates. And which part of the planet do you suggest we Empireise?
Gruinard? (Not the paper)
Buccaneers weren't necessarily pirates and its a state of mind.. Free people seizing control of a chaotic world and moulding it to our shape, all that agricultural and industrial revolution reflected some of the spirit, that Britain is an exceptional place and having some pride in who we are.

Debating stuff between us is fine, that's democracy. What I get sick and tired of is hearing constant snivelery and whining, from those who rule us. They have come to believe that co-operation is the magic ingredient and it hasn't worked, the country has gone backwards. Maybe as auld yin says, we go front foot and start to drive the narrative.
 

skid2

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As I suggested along those lines right at the start of brexit but was scoffed at by EU acolytes. My feeling stands and it is (passed the) time to show some backbone and actually stand up to the EU negotiators. I realise that Barnier will be put back in his box at the Council of Europe next week as per normal but he is the main block to any agreement as the only word he knows is "No"!

There are rules, the European Union runs by rules. We chose to leave, becoming a third country.


They'd be doing us a favour if they put Barnier back in his box. But he keeps popping up and telling us where we are going wrong. He's even telling us how we can sort it out.

That doesn't sound like a man under pressure. Yet considering Davis has only actually met him three times (and threatened to resign five times) it's not backbone our negotiators need it's a grip on reality.
 
Buccaneers weren't necessarily pirates and its a state of mind.. Free people seizing control of a chaotic world and moulding it to our shape, all that agricultural and industrial revolution reflected some of the spirit, that Britain is an exceptional place and having some pride in who we are.

Debating stuff between us is fine, that's democracy. What I get sick and tired of is hearing constant snivelery and whining, from those who rule us. They have come to believe that co-operation is the magic ingredient and it hasn't worked, the country has gone backwards. Maybe as auld yin says, we go front foot and start to drive the narrative.
Who's we?

Aren't you a Russian citizen?
 
And....

Stop being 'defeatist' about Brexit and be inspired by Trump, Britons told by US ambassador
[Theresa May should take “inspiration” from Donald Trump in the Brexit negotiations and cast off Britain's "defeatist" attitude, according to the US ambassador to the UK.

Interviewed for a new Channel 4 documentary, Woody Johnsonquestioned why the UK was "so nervous" about the prospects of leaving the EU, a process that in his view need not present a "major challenge".

His comments come soon after Boris Johnson, the Foreign Secretary, told a group of Tory donors that if Donald Trump was in charge of Brexit “actually you might get somewhere”.
Hear, hear....

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Eastern Europe is not at risk of collapse when the next recession rolls along because most countries are not eurozone members and have relatively low levels of public debt. However, the eurozone countries who are most likely to default on their debt are in southern Europe - where the EU wants to shift funds to.

It's more stupidity by the EU - the sums of money involved are much too small to make much difference to a country like Italy - the country most likely to fail after Greece. But they're significant enough to ensure that the V4 countries will now vote as a bloc to oppose a number of decision that require QMV. And they'll surely block any decision requiring unanimous assent.

The EU realising it's got an unfixable problem and floundering around in a vain hope to do so.

Wordsmith
The EU will pass resolution after resolution, none of which will be designed to help or sort the problem but to use @Brotherton Lads favourite phrase, to kick the can down the road. A favourite tactic of the EU when things are not going to the Master Plan.

I would not be in the least bit surprised if a resolution is passed soon which means that the UK will be responsible for handing over huge sums of money before Brexit Day!

A meltdown of the EU might just be the catalyst needed to enforce meaningful (another lovely brexit phrase) reform! Just as long as it does not destroy the whole of course!.
 

skid2

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Buccaneers weren't necessarily pirates and its a state of mind.. Free people seizing control of a chaotic world and moulding it to our shape, all that agricultural and industrial revolution reflected some of the spirit, that Britain is an exceptional place and having some pride in who we are.

Debating stuff between us is fine, that's democracy. What I get sick and tired of is hearing constant snivelery and whining, from those who rule us. They have come to believe that co-operation is the magic ingredient and it hasn't worked, the country has gone backwards. Maybe as auld yin says, we go front foot and start to drive the narrative.

Right let's do that. Who do you suggest we invade first and with what?

There's auld yin he can't even get a grip on reality never mind his own country. So he's hardly likely to be leading the charge.

Snivelry I like that. One one hand the Eu is a collection of bullying tyrants who won't let us do as we want and stay up late. Or they are an economic basket case.
They can't be both.
You could do worse than google Simon Mann. If you're intentions are stupid.
 
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